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Antinatalism is a more deranged branch of eugenics. It's not simply "promoting eugenics" it's a belief that giving birth is the greatest evil one can inflict upon a child and the world at large.
That they'd clearly see us as subhuman isn't surprising given that they at best want our entire species to voluntarily go extinct. Their entire worldview is best summed up as gentle genocide is good.
It's like these people have forgotten there are people with different set of beliefs than their own.
No matter how justified your beliefs are, you cannot impose them on others. This is true for religions and this is true for every single ideological stance out there.
They're nuts, for sure.
It's also ridiculously cruel to create a consciousness knowing it'll die.
Unless you are religious and believe in eternal torment after death, death isn't cruel, it's simply an end to life, a permanent return to nonexistence no more or less cruel than having never been born.
Additionally, while they aren't exactly wrong in that going from nonexistence to existence results in an infinite increase in potential for suffering, that holds true for joy/happiness/pleasure.
Imo bringing someone into being is not cruel nor wonderful, not moral nor immoral. It simply is.
This is the only good logical argument I’ve heard against it and I’m on board. People get too emotional talking about this and antinatalists generally approach this from a point of logic.
Most of the arguments I’ve seen so far are from sheltered first world people that have never suffered. They almost believe it’s a choice or that depression is just being really sad.
They deny that depression can come up from actual consistently repeated experiences that someone can have no control over.
The fact that most people on planet earth are suffering is what drives the idea. If your consciousness randomly hopped to the next person born on earth, would you want to live that life?
No, it isn't. There, now we're on equal rhetorical footing unless you'd like to support that incredibly bold statement with ... anything? A link? A train of thought?
What is the alternative? Giving up on humanity existing?
We can't change that this how life exists in our reality.
By that logic, wouldn't the very existence of conscious life be cruel?
I would say absolutely YES.
Not sure how a product of chaos and randomness can really have cruelty, as it supposes intent, no?