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[–] [email protected] 127 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The funds for 20 miles of border wall were approved in 2019 before Biden took office. He urged Congress to reassign these funds for more intelligent and efficient enforcement purposes, but Republicans did not comply. Now, Biden has to fulfill his lawful obligations.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He waived environmental protections with executive powers to expedite the process. He isnt just passively letting this happen because his hands are tied.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Would those environmental protections have allowed the wall to simply not be built, or would they have just delayed it, costing even more money for environmental reviews, changed plans, etc., when a government shutdown is imminent?

That’s a real question, to be clear, and not one the article answered one way or the other.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Even if it were the case, as they said the budget is already allocated. Why not make them waste as much of it as possible paying for stuff that isn’t building the wall that everyone knows is useless? Making it look like even more of an expensive boondoggle seems like a better strategy than paving the way through federally protected lands.

And that’s setting aside the costs of maintaining what gets built or what it would cost to remove the wall at some point.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Excellent points. This is completely braindead policy on Biden’s part. The reality is he wanted to give this money to the contractors building the wall, and it’s pathetic crony capitalism per usual.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He has to do it at the end of the year to comply with the order.

The end of the year is in 3 months.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Genuinely curious why he couldn't go ahead and fund the wall, allow existing environmental law to block it, take that back to congress and say this project is illegal and now it is up to congress to repurpose funds.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

He has to utilize executive fiat to circumvent normal environmental regulation procedures? What exactly do you think would happen if he didn’t?

[–] naught 39 points 1 year ago

Yep, let's not forget who controls the purse. You just know this is going to get spun 🙄

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

And the GOP House 100% would have voted to start an impeachment trial if he didn't follow through on it. They would draw a false equivalence between the extortion scheme against Ukraine that lead to Trump's first impeachment trial, where one aspect of it was Trump unlawfully withholding congressionally mandated funds, and claim that this is the same thing. Actually, they'll say this is worse because they're completely shameless and untethered to reality.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

That's an excellent point. If he doesn't comply in good faith, it would 100% be in conservative media that he's sabotaging the borders, misappropriating funds, and haul him off to a real impeachment trial. It'd be the excuse for political theater that they want, and likely exactly why Congress wouldn't reallocate the funds to something else.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

They're so salty Trump got impeached (twice) that they're pretty much calling for impeachment for any little thing they don't like. It's actually humiliating and I don't understand how anyone can proudly say they vote for that party. It's like middle school logic.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

He should spend it on a cute little picket fence with lots of pretty flowers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like a more creative person would have built an 10 foot long section of wall (or better yet a really fancy gate) valued at whatever amount of money congress had allocated.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That would be like USPS getting $30million to replace a fleet of delivery trucks and instead buying a handful of monster trucks that can't enter residential areas. No one's gonna look at that and go, "whoops! You got me! We said buy 120 USPS trucks with the approved budget but instead you bought 5 monster trucks and a sweet set of ramps and said you followed the 'spirit of the ask' because they're all trucks. Well, I see no reason to investigate this for misusing funds! As you were!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This sounds like it could be the premise of an episode of Veep

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That does sound reasonable when discussing buying monster trucks.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It needs to pass an audit. The wall is stupid, but building a monument instead of a wall should fail audits and is a type of corruption worthy of impeachment.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Presidents have to choose what they are going to stand for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope they stand for the rule of law. Mind you they should tell us when the law is wrong and fight to get that fixed. However they don't get to ignore a bad law. There is often disagreement on what makes a good law, and sometimes you will lose that fight (or at least a battle in the fight).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think bad enforcement of a bad law is a great way to fight it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you can only be so bad before you are corrupt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Corruption applies to actions taken for personal gain. Actions taken for perceived benefit of the constituents are noble even if they violate the law.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Right, and it seems like Biden has chosen to stand for the rule of law and due process.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You immediately answered the one question I had, thanks.