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[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

We’ve spent Trillions to counter Russia overvthe decades.

To support Ukraine in a proxy war that weakens, destabilizes or destroys Russia where no American soldiers die and we get to test out our arsenal in a real world scenario is a worthwhile investment not to mention the moral and humanitarian aspect.

Do we have problems at home? Yes but that’s never been a good enough reason to reduce military spending.

I do think the military budget is out of control and more money should be appropriated to the issues that matter like healthcare but at this moment in time we should absolutely continue to support Ukraine.

We are the world leaders and other countries follow. We can’t let our support erode. We can’t let Russia win this one.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not a fan of Team America world police but crippling Russia with a small percentage of our defense budget is a pretty good deal in geopolitics.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

This isn't team America world police. This is team America, international arms dealer.

Which may or may not be better, depending on your outlook.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, there would be easily enough money to both have the best military and the best public healthcare system in the world. The key is to tax the rich 0.1% properly.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You guys already pay more than you'd need for healthcare, by far. The problem is all that money is going into pockets rather than...well... actual healthcare. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/health/us-health-care-spending-global-perspective/index.html

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2018/03/u-s-pays-more-for-health-care-with-worse-population-health-outcomes/

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Your problem isn't even that the military budget is out of control (alhough accounting could be better), but a lot of this budget is only "military" by designation used to keep US jobs.

But "We spend much on our strong military" is much better politically than "We have to spend much to subsidize industrial jobs". And they can even recoup some of the costs by exports then.

If you are actually looking for problems... look at the industrial part, not the military part of the US' MIC.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We are the world leaders and other countries follow.

I am sorry, but this makes me puke.

The Americans sure are dominant in the world, no doubt about that. But miss me with this sanctimonious crap.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

You took that in a broader sense. What I specifically meant by that was noone would provide Ukraine with tanks unless the U.S. offered them first.