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Yeah, I'm gonna disagree here.
My favorite two arguments for this are rapists and babies with cancer.
So, babies with cancer are pretty straightforward - there's no way you can explain it as something good and there's no way to explain this in any logical sense. That's when people start feeling uncomfortable, because they know it doesn't make sense, but hey, they have the ultimate argument! "God works in mysterious ways."
The other one is a little more complex, but let's go. Someone rapes some other person, let's say a young man rapes a young woman. She has trauma for life, is scarred for life and is never gonna be the same. Let's say some 40, 50 years later he truly is sorry for what he's done, which I also can see happening. It doesn't really absolve him in my eyes, but hey I'm not God and my ways are quite simple and not at all mysterious. The lady has been a good person all her life, so both of them go to heaven. And one day they meet in heaven. How is that fair to her? How is he able to get to the same place of rest as her? Well, the answer is simple, "God works in mysterious ways."
So no, people don't use it to mean “I’m not going to let this ruin my life”, they use it to say "I don't really know how to respond to that because there's no way that the answer would make logical sense".
It can be both, and I'm not sure I see the distinction. It's a coping mechanism, and that's not actually an awful thing.
Growing up in church, nobody was creating hypotheticals and then trying to explain it using religion. It's just not what it was about. But I guess if you brought up babies with cancer, then yeah the "mysterious ways" argument would have been a prime cop out to avoid challenging faith too much.
Most commonly, people just wanted to know how to handle the (typically less hyperbolic) challenges in their own lives. They believed they were good and faithful and didn't understand why God would allow bad things to happen in their lives. Ultimately the "mysterious ways" line was just a coping mechanism, that came with advice to search for the silver linings, and think about past challenges and how they resolved, as evidence of the mysterious ways. Of course it also served to avoid challenging their faith too.
At the end of the day, religion has its very bad elements that I won't defend. But it's silly to ignore that for most people, they're looking for ways to interpret life in order to find meaning, or maybe cope with struggles. For myself, I'm not religious, but if I were trying to help a friend dealing with something difficult in life, I would still encourage them to look for silver linings and to reflect on past challenges. Not to use it as evidence for some god working in mysterious ways, but just to give them perspective to realize that they have the strength to overcome challenges.
True, I was perhaps too dismissive, it can be both. Though it's ultimately the same thing - escaping from something you don't like by making up stuff.
Of course I can explain baby with cancer in a good way. Baby was Hitler. Done.
You completely missed my point if that’s your example.
I did understand, I just disagree. Not every time someone disagrees with you it's because they don't understand.
I assume you mean "the next Hitler" (because we know it wasn't Hitler literally), in that case god fucked up because he created him in the first place.