this post was submitted on 23 Sep 2023
546 points (97.1% liked)

politics

18828 readers
4557 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
  2. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  3. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  4. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
  5. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  6. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I'm legitimately so confused why so many Republicans seem to hate Ukraine (other than the politicians being in the pocket of Putin).

The cost of U.S involvement in Ukraine is only 60 billion so far, only 2/3 of the MONTHLY budget of the U.S military and I swear to god I hear more people bitching it about than Afghanistan, which cost 2.1 trillion dollars and is literaly 35 times greater than what we spent in Ukraine.

Even if you were extremely selfish and didn't care for saving a country and it's citizens from genocide it's in our best interest to defeat Russia. For the last 2 decades the Russian federation has been intentionally sabotaging Europe and the west in general. From hybrid warfare, online propaganda, poisonings and assassinations, destroying deep sea infrastructure, of course cutting energy to Europe and even more.

I'm so tired of this dumb shit idea spreading like wildfire amongst conservative circles and how selfish people are for believing it.

Rant over.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I think there are two factors. First, during the 2016 election, Russia hacked the DNC servers and released the data (heavily salted with disinformation, I'm sure) to damage Clinton's campaign. Less well known is that they also hacked the RNC servers. That data was never released. I am quite comfortable in assuming that there was some real dirt in there on some Republican officeholders. It would certainly explain the complete about face on Trump that many of them had. One day they were publicly ripping into Trump and the next they were sucking up to him. Putin having dirt on people like Gaetz, etc., could also explain some of their current attitudes on Ukraine.

The second factor is more about the Republican voters but applies to some of the more insane Republican office holders too. Trump was publicly calling on Russia to go after his political enemies during the 2016 election which one would assume would alienate anti-Russian Republican voters. It didn't though. Those that drank the Trump Flavor-Aid chose to support Trump no matter what. They went all in on the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and since Russia was going after Hillary, Russia was now their friend. There were literally people walking around Trump rallies wearing shirts that said, "Better Russian than Democrat."

This attitude still holds today. These profoundly deluded people really think that supporting Russia and opposing the Democratic administration's agenda is somehow patriotic. It is frankly terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Don't forget the culture war stuff. The Russian Orthodox Church is more socially conservative. (You can see this in Poland too.) Homosexuality is punished, women are more "traditional", etc. And Putin projects a cult-of-personality that people like, even if they have arobber-baron oligarchy.

Repubs look at that stuff fondly, they're titillated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

At this point I don't think there's anything that could come out about Republicans that would make their base reconsider them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Flavor-Aid

Off topic, but let me applaud you for getting the right beverage mix for the reference.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

aside from them being literally subject to Russian propaganda and being too stupid to realise, the other factor I think is quite simple.

they think its "woke" to not want Ukraine to fall. that's pretty much it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

It is the Ayn Rand influence imo.

Helping Ukraine is alturism, which is bad without self interest.

And MAGA equates to an isolationist nationalist facism. Orwellian.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Because uncle Donny and Putin are friends and he was going to let them roll through. Russia helped build/fund the MAGA movement to sow division in America. Of course they don't support Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It's also really confusing because even if you don't have any particular affinity for Ukraine, even a Republican must acknowledge that functionally Russia and China are only things that are even remotely close to peer adversaries, and any military hardware we send Ukraine is going to get dumped directly into damaging that adversary. It's basically one of the most efficient military investments you could get right now. If you're even a bit pro military, you should be pro Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Well to paraphrase several preacher, "Putin at least has state church" and the gold gem "Putin at least isn't protrans or gay".

Then you have some people that are against because Dem are for it. It is literally just for them about not agreeing with the other on ANYTHING.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

only 60 billion

Heh. "Only."

Damn, I could use just one measly billion.