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City design and suburbs. Like if I had to drive 40 minutes to get groceries I would prefer to starve and those suburbs look like death would be the better alternative. Also driving to go for a walk, wtf?
No one in a real city or suburb is driving 40 minutes to get groceries in the US.
I was being somewhat hyperbolic, the point was you guys have to drive everywhere to do anything which is so alien to me. Or I guess take public transit which always sounds horrible when Americans describe it, which is also something that sounds so weird to me about the US.
I'm in America and I've always lived a 10 to 15 minute walk away from the store. It's that a long walk compared to Europeans? I think I was further from a store when I was in Germany for a week. Like 30 minute walk.
Are you saying that's the norm in the US?
I have always been about 5 minutes walk from the grocery store in Estonia.
Yeah for the majority that live in the cities. Less people live in the country and most of the country towns still have a food mart. So most Americans don't live that far from a store.
"most Americans" don't live in a city that dense and certainly drive to the store for groceries. But when I say "to the store" it's not the same as what Europeans think. It's not a little corner store where you get your groceries for the day. It's a giant Walmart/Kroger where you load up for the whole week so you don't have to go as often.
Nah, they certainly do.
this is half America's population and each of those places is centered around major cities in the area.
Sure, that's what the bulk of Americans do because it's easier but it's certainly possible for them to walk to the store. Everyone drives because they are lazy. I'm American, you can't tell me we are lazy and fat and thus only want to go to the store once a week or less. Also compared to European stores, our stores are huge and purposely confusing. So they can get you to walk around the store more. So your fat lazy ass will get hungry and impulse buy a bunch of stuff. Also, the things at eye level have the most markup which tend to be the most processed foods.
Are you serious? Look at that map. Those yellow areas are absolutely massive. It includes huge swathes of suburban areas, not "dense cities". I mean look at Dallas, Atlanta, or SoCal in that pic. My point is that in those suburban areas most people are not within a reasonable walking distance of a grocery store.
Just because they're centered around a major metro area doesn't mean the people living there are close to one. I live in on of those cities in what someone would consider an "urban/suburban" area. For me to walk to my closest grocery store it would take me 30 minutes each way according to Google maps. That's not reasonable. Keep in mind that you've got to actually carry the groceries on the way back. And I'm probably in a denser area than most.
EDIT: According to the USDA, americans are on average 2.2 miles from a SNAP authorized store. That's a 45 minute walk each way. No Americans are not just "lazy" for not walking to the store. It just isn't a reasonable think to do at all.
I've never lived in a city proper. Only suburbs and never been more than 15 minutes away from a store walking. Closer if you count the many corner stores attached to every gas station. Maybe this is coast living vs inner America though.
I guess it's a misconception then that living in the US without a car is very difficult.
That is not a misconception at all with the exception of a few very densely packed cities like New York City.