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What's a current or growing trend only you seem to have concerns about? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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I've definitely turned into the paranoid nutcase within my friend group in recent years, I hate that everything is "smart" nowadays requiring an app/internet connection & account, just to do basic things that didn't require any of that before.

What's some things currently making you ramble like an old man?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Capitalism is growing, it has successfully seeped through every aspect of our life, creating consensus and effectively becoming more and more the norm in the social fabric. Right now there are many opinions against capitalism that are beginning to become almost taboo.

  • It has taken our privacy: it is almost mandatory nowdays to use things like social media and operating systems that track you. You can't opt out without being a social outcast. As much as I wish I could live with pure Linux on every single device I use (including my phone) and without touching any proprietary software (except games and professional software with no privacy - invading tracking, but that doesn't work well financially with a FOSS business model) belive me I would. But I would have to give up so much, it becomes almost impossible.
  • It's beginning normal to defend profit and condone terrible things for profit. Everybody knows about how the supply chain relies on several human rights violations to continue, but it's considered normal.
  • It has instilled the idea that everything you do must be useful. I'm seeing the idea that your hobbies must be "productive" in some kind of tangible way in your life spread around more and more, and it is making us appreciate life less, as "doing it for the sake of doing it" is beginning to be shunned as an useless waste of time.
  • Relationships are becoming molded by capitalism. Think about the dating apps culture, swiping left and right on people who basically sell themselves as products on a market. It is becoming normal to see different people in parallel and then just committing to the one you like best - as if you were trying a bunch of laptops in an electronics store. Relationships themselves are less committed and more transactional, as we are normalizing stuff that makes me raise both eyebrows at once. People are starting to become scared of commitment and scared of committing to one person. More and more people are not only opting out of monogamy, but shunning those who choose to practice it as some kind of close - minded conservatives. There is more and more pushing and popularity in something like fluid and open relationships - which allows you to be in a relationship but still be on the market, never fully commit to a person, always keep looking for something better to jump onto, and have a normalized free trial with your partner's consent. While it does work for some people and I don't put that in doubt, I feel like at large this is being used to commodify relationships, sell ourselves as products on a market, lose our ability to commit to another human and get used to returning people like an Amazon package. It's literally treating relationships as products. People want to live in the comfort that, if they decide to try a MacBook Pro M2 and later a more powerful M3-based iteration comes out, they can smoothly transition to the newer model - but for relationships - which is, in turn, damaging the very idea of a serious long-term relationship.
  • Likewise, we are becoming all too trigger-happy in throwing people away from our lives like yesterday's trash. Is your relationship or friendship hitting a rough spot? Nuanced opinions are getting more and more rare. "They're a narcisist and you need to cut them out", "they're gaslighting or manipulating you", "They don't deserve you, you should leave immediately". It's super good that we are finally starting to take mental health seriously, thank goodness this is one of the things where I think the present is much better than the past at, but people we are overdoing it and using it out of context. In a world where people are commodified, they are too considered as disposable as products, and as such, easy to throw away and replace. The tendency to do real and actual work to work on a relationship or friendship with a person you love is starting to go out of fashion.
  • We are making people work several jobs at once and completely drain themselves to even be able to afford their rent and basic survival. Everyone is becoming lonelier. Real friendships and relationships are being replaced with parasocial ones - only accessible through proprietary software with Draconian privacy policies that you would be very hesitant to accept if you took the time to actually read them, of course. There is a push to get part of our social need met by watching "stories" and social media updates by friends, mistaking a few reactions and comments here and there for actual interaction, and parasocial romantic relationships are actively being sold on platforms like Onlyfans, where not only creators sell their content (which I think it's fair - content is content and everybody should be free to distribute it and sell it as they want and take profit for it), but also chat (or, more often and more unethically, hire someone else to chat with) lonely people who pay them to have someone to talk to and a semblance of a connection, one they cannot get in today's hyper capitalist lives with low energy and low free time
  • The rise of the right. Have you noticed that, right around when capitalism has gotten this intense, it has become almost acceptable once again to be openly fascist, without euphemisms? Have you noticed the sudden rise in far-right leaders in elections worldwide? It's not just you, this is happening, the far right is making a huge comeback.

I absolutely look like a boomer typing this, and I am fully aware of this. I hate absolutely everything about contemporary culture, except for the much higher attention to mental health, broader acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community, more attention on the problems of feminism and a few other things that I think are a net positive to out society. I think capitalism is fully to blame for most of the things that are going to shit right now.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am with you on a lot of this, but I will never and I mean ever understand the impulse that so many people have to say that online dating has made life worse. Dating is much better now because of online dating. Instead of constantly needing to be vigilant for an opportunity to find a mate and then pursuing them only to often be shut down or find out about a huge deal breaker on the second date, we can filter out a lot of those cases simply by reading a profile. Yes I'm aware people lie and hide things. But if they're on a dating site they probably are looking for a relationship of some kind and if they wrote 3 or more sentences you probably can get a feel for what they generally value in life.

I also think it's quite a stretch to try and say online dating = capitalism because "marketed as products" and "throw people away like trash". It sounds like you were broken up with by one too many online dates?

Are you somehow intelligent enough to write all of this so thoughtfully, yet somehow unaware that relationships have ALWAYS been highly "transactional"? One of many aspects I could focus on to illustrate this is just the concept of marriage period. In many cultures, since thousands of years ago, you literally paid a family for a bride. It still continues today if I'm not mistaken, you just call it "paying a dowry" instead of buying a wife because it sounds better.

If we are talking about r/datingadvice I think there it's a legit complaint to say that people seem to be more in the "throw that person away" camp but I don't think there's actually a shred of evidence that anything is new about this. We just now have a conduit for public opinions about dating to end up in our faces while we doomscroll.

I also blame capitalism for a lot, but I think it gets tricky to link capitalism to everything bad. I'd say it's more like all these things are symptoms of a condition and all somewhat related. Greed is what a lot of this is, and yes capitalism is all wrapped up in that but I don't think if you somehow took it away that every problem goes away.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

First things first, throwing people away and online dating are in two different camps entirely. For the throwing people away it's something that I have seen a lot: the Reddit dating advice is also more and more common and spread on social media, and it's becoming to be eaten up by people. Ask random friends in your social circle in general, and you'll find that - at least the younger ones - are susceptible to this trend.

As for online dating: we can meet in the middle and say that I think it would be a net pro on something that is structured differently than Tinder, which represents the embodiment of what I think is bad about it. There is, of course, value in being able to have access to a wider pool than "your friend group and social circle". This is how I would structure my own dating app:

  • Free and open source with no invasive data telemetry, full GDPR compliance, you can request all your data to be wiped clean with a button.
  • No freemium model to encourage buying a pro option for it to actually work. Using a simple, unbiased algorithm that does a sort by distance, then a sort by sexual/romantic orientation compatibility (without requiring you to state it on your profile, for privacy reasons)
  • Use a model that discourages "serial dating". Every match you have with the app has a countdown, and the chat automatically terminates after some amount of messages and days. Every match has a "Set as Exclusive" button. Both parties press it when they're not quite in a relationship, but are seeing each other exclusively. When both people press it, both people know they have agreed on this, and from then on the app goes in total lockdown until you deselect it and go back to non-exclusive dating.
  • As for the last thing, I will freely borrow an idea that already exists from the Hinge app (which I consider to be the absolutely least worst option around; I have read a book written by one of the people who worked on it and I have agreed with every word): The app is made to be deleted. When two people enter an official relationship, both select a "Make official" button in their match's settings view. When that's done, the app congratulates you, deletes both accounts and then invites you to delete it.

Yes, I am aware this would not work for open relationships or stuff like couples looking for a third unicorn for kinky stuff, but that's by design, as existing apps already work well for that. Tinder, for example, is more widely used for casual sex that it is about building romantic relationships, and it is perfectly adequate for that.

Yes, you are pointing to combines marriages - but I am not suggesting we go back to the 50's, I am talking about the past few years. Capitalism has already been an upgrade over feudalism, I agree. My point is that, lately, we have been overdoing it and everything that started off as a positive innovation, like social media and dating apps, is starting to lose its soul and become more Draconian or anti - capitalism.

Greed is what a lot of this is, and yes capitalism is all wrapped up in that but I don't think if you somehow took it away that every problem goes away.

I have a question for you: why is it that billionaires and big capitalists have been amassing more profits and pushing this more intensive version of capitalism? I know this argumentation all too well, I have once had a long discussion with a friend who argued capitalism or not wouldn't change anything because greed exists. My counter point is that, while greed exists and has always existed, it's never been quite that bad in recent times and, for second, greed and capitalism feed and reinforce each other. It's an endless loop that keeps reinforcing itself.

Also, do consider the fact that while I was highly upvoted here on Lemmy, the same wouldn't be true at a random table with some friend group out there in the world. These opinions of mine that are popular here are fringe in the real world, so if you get the impression my comment is disconnected from reality and what people think when you touch grass, yes, that is precisely the point why I wrote it. This is my own little grumpy old man yelling at a clown view of a lot of modern things that I talk about in spaces like these online, but mostly shut up about when I'm out there having a drink.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Absolutely agree. I am afraid of where capitalism will bring us one day If I am being honest.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

By the way, to be precise and pedantic, they are the results of neoliberalism and not purely capitalism. From the outside, it seams not very different but it's. Capitalism is only a part of neoliberalism.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But isn't neoliberalism a natural progression of capitalism? This is like a rolling snowball that becomes an extremely destructive avalanche.

Edit: spelling.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Damn there's so much to agree with. The way you've found a common thread in all this, it puts into words many criticisms I've started to foster. growing up in capitalism with such a far reach (into our private lives) and high speed is absolutely leaving it's mark on the culture.

[โ€“] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think it's especially the money and LGBTQ+ and non sexual norms that are driving people to the right. I notice when I talk to a lot of younger guys theyre tired of hearing about it.

Because it's pushed on so much of their TV shows and things they like that they side with political candidates that are conservative at a young age and they further grow into it. These are conservative candidates with lots of money usually.

I hate to say it but it was universally cool to defend LGBT people when the media and TV shows didn't push it. Because you were defending an oppressed person. Now it more so feels like it's popular which means it's no longer an obscure thing, the anti culture is the new trend.

I want to disclaim that I don't agree with any of this other than to say this is my observation of the behavior. I play rainbow six ranked on Xbox and use the looking for group party finder with a buddy of mine. We group up and encounter a lot of guys in the army and Marines, a lot of teenagers and this is cumulatively the culture I've heard. Same thing on like world of warcraft classic and using discord to raid but those guys run older typically.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

when the media and TV shows didn't push it

This infuriates me more than I can express. How is the existence of lgbt people in media "pushing it"? I that case, I'm sick of the "straights" who have been "pushing it" since I was born.

A few months ago someone I considered a friend came to me and was like, I know you're trans, but what's your opinion on all the trans stuff in the media, I don't want my kid exposed to it. Like, wow, the only reason you know I'm trans is because I told you and now my existence has become political, something her kids need to be shielded from. Fuck all these people to hell and back.

You wanna know how that kind of shit makes you feel? This is what I wrote in a comment yesterday:

You know what's fucked? Being told every day, wherever you look that you shouldn't exist, that you're disgusting and gross, that you deserve to die, that you're unwanted and don't belong. Online, in the news, on TV, from family, people you considered friends, people you tell when you'd like to date. People like this are part of the reason that the end of a rope gets more enticing by the day. You can only take so much constant abuse and hatred. So I guess they're winning, they should be proud of themselves because they're achieving their goals, with some luck I won't exist anymore.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Playing the victim is the right wingers favorite pastime. Crying that someone's right to exist is a burden for you to hear about. Fuck on off back to 4chan or whatever