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[–] [email protected] 157 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (53 children)

I mean it kind of needs to be both. But it’s hard to find a compelling reason why kids need their smartphones fully accessible during class.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Well, you can quickly search up some information. I don't remember what it was, but I remember that once in middle school teacher said something I wasn't quite sure about, but also I wouldn't ask if I wasn't more sure. So I looked it up, seeing that I was right, I asked if it rather wasn't meant to be that other thing, he checked too and indeed he was wrong.

Also, my mind often wanders off. And it may happen that I suddenly can't remember something. Could just be some word I could look up on my phone in less than a minute. Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can't stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

Next, spine. I am currently in high school. Phones are allowed here. Any time. So, I utilized my scanner and digitized one 500 or so page book I couldn't find on the internet, and then used it as PDF instead of a physical book. It is less likely that I would forget my phone. I wish schools would have options for e-ink tablets instead of having to carry many heavy physical books. That used to be problem mostly in elementary school and middle school. Same goes for note taking.

Obviously, the last example can be easily solved by modernization.

Fast talking teachers. I can't write that fast. I mean, I can, but then I can't decipher my handwriting, which is already hard anyway. Voice recorder is a quick solution. Obviously, it is easier to look through notes than audio, but IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A REPLACEMENT FOR NOTES, just a help.

But do take that with a pinch of salt. Especially in elementary school, I used to be one of those weird kids who greatly preferred being liked by the teacher over having friends. So even though I had a phone at the time, I never used it during classes because teachers disliked it.

But at least during breaks it should be allowed. Otherwise kids will find much more dangerous ways to entertain themselves.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

... yes, my phoneless childhood was super dangerous. it's amazing i survived a couple of decades without one!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I mean, comparing class with active kids throwing stuff around and ones just sitting and playing on their phones, I'd take the second. Cyber bullying may be hard to detect though, but it's not like schools care either way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, life was so dangerous before the telephone. It's amazing anyone survived decades without them! 991, phaw, we had a bucket of water and a shotgun.

... in summary. The point should be that the next generation has an advantage over the previous, in all things.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want to teach kids how to look up information, you can create spaces for that. They don’t need unrestricted access to their smart phones to accomplish that throughout the day. Hell you can relax your policies as they grow up and show the maturity to handle having a smart phone in the classroom. If schools want to do that, I am all in favor of it. But they would have to start early and build a system, which is a lot to ask of already overworked educators.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am not talking about unrestricted access either. It depends on age, but they could always just ask the teacher if they're allowed to look up something. And also I don't see how disallowing phones during breaks helps education. It's meant to be a break.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can't stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

Option C: Write it down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not like I am thinking about it to not forget what I wanted to remember. It's that it will keep bugging me until I remember.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Bugging you until you remember? You write it so that you can't forget and so it stops bugging you.

Bugging you because you need that info itch scratched right now? Aka instant gratification. Then you have to learn to not need instant gratification. Seriously, it's another skill.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, by their teenage years, why not all the reasons adults need smartphones fully accessible? Looking up information from authoritative sources? Emergency contact? Coordinating schedules for office hours?

Schools often simultaneously demand more from children than workplaces do adults, and give them less opportunity to excel.

I'm not saying work-inappropriate phone use should be accepted, but taking them away entirely is downright irresponsible. Just like schools who still demand students write on a notebook instead of using a laptop. Raise your hand if you had RSI-related issues for a decade or more after high school? We old people tend to forget how bad school used to be (and can be) for physical and mental health AND for learning.

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