World News

32387 readers

350 users here now

News from around the world!

Rules:

Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc
No NSFW content
No hate speech, bigotry, propaganda, etc

founded 5 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

1137

Zelensky dismisses compromise with Putin, pointing to Prigozhin’s death (www.cnn.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

449 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] tomatopathe 91 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (80 children)

So from having had a few exchanges with pro Russian accounts on Lemmy (which seems to be infested with a few very active ones) this is a summary of their arguments:

"Ukraine is Nazi"
"Well far right parties got a total of under 6% of the vote, and they elected a Jewish man president"
"yeah but Bandera and whatabout America"

"Ukraine killed ethnic Russians"
"A huge percentage of their population are ethnic Russians, including in government, and they are fine, and were until the Russian invasion. And now it's Russia that has killed, maimed and raped more ethnic Russians, including civilians, than Ukraine every did or even could. Including their own people thorough incompetence and corruption".
"Yeah but Bandera, and whatabout America"

"Ukraine is fighting because they are forced to by their colonial masters, the USA and NATO, and Ukrainians will keep dying so long as they keep being armed"
"Actually > 90% of the population wants to continue fighting for their country back, so what you're basically saying is you think Ukrainians should be abandoned to Russian enslavement"
"Yeah but Bandera, and whatabout America"

"NATO and USA are colonialists and this is just more colonialism"
"Actually both Russia and China are actual, bone fide land empires, with ethnic minorities that are forced to live like colonized people - including doing the fighting for Russia while their families back home live in misery and squalor and Putin's Mafia collect mansions, private jets and yachts"
"Yeah but Bandera, and whatabout America"

[+] [email protected] -24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

That all sounds like brigading emotional nonsense. In fact, there were strong reasons for Russia to invade. It is probably true that Russia was manipulated into invading, it had no choice because of strategic decisions made by Ukraine. It's a shame none of the people you talked to were able to argue the issues sensibly.

[–] tomatopathe 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why should Russia strategically be required to invade exactly?

I've never heard a cogent argument on this point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's because Russia sees NATO as a threat and wants to take control of Ukraine to keep buffer states on the west side. Also, to keep it'sblack sea fleet safe. Why it happened now and not sooner or later - nobody knows. The official reasoning, of course, is bullshit, just like with any other war. Not the worst one, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people haven't. We all have a filter bubble.

Here is a first draft, my attempt to provide the missing context. Please leave comments on anything bad or missing you notice. https://lemmy.ml/post/4848742

[–] tomatopathe -2 points 1 year ago

That is just a list of Russian propaganda points. There is no evidence for any of it.

load more comments (9 replies)

load more comments (76 replies)