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Zelensky dismisses compromise with Putin, pointing to Prigozhin’s death (www.cnn.com)

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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

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[+] [email protected] -24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

That all sounds like brigading emotional nonsense. In fact, there were strong reasons for Russia to invade. It is probably true that Russia was manipulated into invading, it had no choice because of strategic decisions made by Ukraine. It's a shame none of the people you talked to were able to argue the issues sensibly.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Lol Ukraine strategically decided not to surrender their territory, thus manipulating the peaceful Russians to invade

[–] tomatopathe 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why should Russia strategically be required to invade exactly?

I've never heard a cogent argument on this point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's because Russia sees NATO as a threat and wants to take control of Ukraine to keep buffer states on the west side. Also, to keep it'sblack sea fleet safe. Why it happened now and not sooner or later - nobody knows. The official reasoning, of course, is bullshit, just like with any other war. Not the worst one, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people haven't. We all have a filter bubble.

Here is a first draft, my attempt to provide the missing context. Please leave comments on anything bad or missing you notice. https://lemmy.ml/post/4848742

[–] tomatopathe -2 points 1 year ago

That is just a list of Russian propaganda points. There is no evidence for any of it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well here is your chance. Argue this issues sensibly.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Probably the tired line of NATO expansion fears. How'd that work out? Does Russia have more or less NATO countries near their borders? The invasion itself is the best sales pitch NATO could ever need.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is probably true that Russia was manipulated into invading, it had no choice because of strategic decisions made by Ukraine.

Of course Russia had a choice. Not invading a country is the easiest thing to do. I do it every day, and I have nowhere near the power and resources that Vlad Putin does.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean look, it's a nation we talked in to giving up it's nuclear weapons in exchange for protection and recognition by us. We really had no choice but to invade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Background? Link?