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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Have this guy's video thumbnails always been this bad?

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago

he knows what the algorithm wants

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If they avoid the thumbnails out of principle, they lose a significant chunk of revenue.

It's a small annoyance for a small number of viewers, and there are browser extensions you can get which fix clickbaity thumbnails. The clear choice is to do the thumbnails

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I guess. I only heard about him a year or so ago and it seemed like his thumbnails were more "normal"just that recently.

Click-baityness aside, it just reeks of vapid, shallow, content. I know you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but if I see Fabio on the cover of a book, I know I'm in the wrong section so there's some merit to it.

I'm not going to get my tech insight from someone who makes their content look like this.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

It's not the worst. I don't have a problem with mkbhd's thumbnails.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I have a genuine curiosity for what you think thumbnails should be? If not this, then what?

The thumbnail shows the product, shows the general reactions.

What else do you want?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally I avoid videos with variations of the open mouth, confused face, and disappointed look these days. It's just the area of YouTube I've gotten tired of, and those videos usually tend to be pretty shilly playing to the algorithm and tend to be from bigger channels. I understand why its done, but it doesn't shield from criticism. Anyways good for them, but it has manifested in a way where because the algorithm is what dictates the product it feels like AI in a way where the presentation style gets tiring.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do we really need to have an exaggerated reaction in the thumbnail?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It's barely a reaction in the first place.

I know the rest of YouTube is inundated with such thumbnails but this one in particular is very, very on point.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thumbnail should be the frame closest to the middle of the video's runtime, with no regard for context. I have an extension that does just that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

IMO, that defeats the purpose of the thumbnail.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

YouTube worked fine for almost a decade that way. Custom thumbnails are pretty recent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

True. But as a concept, it only makes sense... right? If you're editing a video to have high production quality, then there should be something to draw the audience in... a generic thumbnail wouldn't be as useful to get the attention of a new viewer, right?

And even if they add an option to only choose a frame from the video, that can also be manipulated as long as we know which frames are likely to be chosen for the choices.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Indeed, the reason they added the option was because of how many people were just putting their custom thumbnail as the middle frame of their video, which was jarring every time it happened.

As far as production value and drawing in the audience, I really don't care. I would much rather just not see obnoxious shit no matter who it benefits. But that's what happens when one website has an effective monopoly, people have to scratch out any advantage they can within the closed system because there just aren't enough viewers to go around. At this point, what viewers click on is basically irrelevant anyway because we've crossed over the feedback loop point: because it used to drive engagement on its own, a pog face thumbnail is necessary because not having one gets your channel sent to Algorithmic Deprioritization Purgatory even faster than criticizing youtube on social media does.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

The almighty algorithm forces it. I don't care as long as it's not outright misleading

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Honestly, when my favourite subscriptions post these thumbnails I don't watch the video. I have one that has never done anything like this but posted their latest video with someone's stupid shocked face on it. I won't watch it and if they continue I'll be unsubscribing.

I think this is just the grumpy old man coming out of me. I realise they are just trying to get more views. It's just frustrating they got this popular without these thumbnails so why start now?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

There's an extension for de-clickbaiting thumbnails

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, you don't get to his size without clickbaiting

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Mobile games don't become as lucrative as it is without mtx. People understand the business reason, but it doesn't mean it shields it from criticism. Doesn't need defending either, since as you said money is enough to not care. You don't really start doing that stuff if you care about perception, so I say good for them monetarily speaking. But, that's the extent of my praise.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

He's just the classic YT clickbait content. Much better out there, smaller channels are where the quality content is, not these big cash farming ones.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I was about to say: "This is an MKBHD video. Don't click it."

And yeah his thumbnails were always terrible. But to be fair, most were from a content perspective, too. Except the very very early ones. It's a business, I get it. But it's so weird how you can watch a 1 hour video and know nothing more than what you knew before. And that's normal. You've been shown a lot of really pretty shots of a phone that make it look very beautiful, so clearly he or someone from his team is a great photographer. But there's little else in the videos.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's been a youtube trend for a while now. Most 10-20 minute videos should not have been longer than 2-5 minutes. It caused me to massively reduce the time I spend on youtube - and for me to watch a video longer than 5 minutes from somebody I don't know it needs to be about a very interesting topic and a description hinting at it not being just filler yet again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Humans love faces.

Our brains are wired in a way that makes us want to see faces everywhere. It's why we experience pareidolia - seeing faces where none exist. Like on treebark, moon/mars surface pics, or the people who claim to see Jesus' face on toast.

Thumbnail creators have found that just by putting a face on a thumbnail, people are much more likely to be interested.

Look also at film and TV covers. Pretty much all of them depict faces too. People are drawn to faces.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having a face in the thumbnail isn't the problem though. Having a useless arrow pointing to the thing that the video is obviously about coupled with the guy holding his head in his hands like he just caught his favorite phone in bed with another YouTuber is the problem.

I thought this guy was supposed to be well regarded.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

He is. He's one of the most successful phone tech YouTubers. They do this because it's what gets clicks. Doesn't matter if you like it or hate it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why do you guys give a shit about thumbnails? The titles and description are way more informative for me. I curse bad titles way more. And this is a good title.