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A couple hours before I was on the edge of getting a Fairphone 5 but I read the specifications and didn't see 3.5 mm audio jack anywhere. So I thought to myself...why? The community has been requesting this for a couple years ago now so why not. They're already making money on the phone, they're really pushing for people to get their wireless headphones? Just add the headphone jack, shouldn't be too hard.

They said they're treating their workers fairly, sourcing from ethical sources, renewable claims, repairability claims, and supporting foss projects (they donated a fp4 to CalyxOS to support development). All of these are amazing, so adding a little headphone jack shouldn't be that hard in the grand scheme of all this.

*Add the headphone jack and I'll be happy to support and get a fp5.

https://calyxos.org/news/2022/02/25/device-support/

https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The only ignorant answer i'm seeing is from yourself.

The headphone jack is an inexpensive small connector that offers far better quality than bluetooth does (i.e. lossless audio), is universal and is a really inexpensive feature to add to a device.

The ONLY reason it has been removed is to push the sales of wireless headphones and earbuds. Fairphone got rid of it and soon after started selling bluetooth devices. And you just bought the marketing. As for the usb adapters, those are an extra point of failure and easy to misplace.

For all the good things Fairphone did, this is a really shitty one. If Sony can keep the jack on all their devices, anybody can, and the rest are excuses.

You don't like the jack? You can just keep using bluetooth.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Their responses address commenters directly, with an apple-esque "you are doing it wrong" attitude, instead of focusing on the actual subject matter - the 3.5mm jack itself. It's not really a discussion, it's much more comparable to victim blaming and trolling 🤷‍♂️. People are looking for a discussion, not an attack thinly veiled as a "solution". No point engaging IMO.

Regarding the actual topic though, I'm fully in agreement with you.

Here's why I don't feel as if bluetooth or dongles are an appropriate replacement: https://lemmy.one/comment/2684726

Since then I've also realised driver & codec support will slowly become a big issue as we move forward with dongles and bluetooth headphones, especially for people who prefer to keep their devices for longer

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people will just swallow propaganda, and defend corporations even going against their own interests.

To be clear, i'm not against bluetooth audio, heck i even have a set of high end Jabra earbuds, but those are not a substitute for my AKG k702 or my Audio Technica M40x. Having an audio jack is about having an option, and we know companies are lying through their teeth because somebody managed to add an audio jack to an iPhone without losing any functionality at all.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Some people will just swallow propaganda, and defend corporations even going against their own interests.

Or maybe some people just don't care about using their smartphone as a premium audio device? The audio jack on a smartphone servers no purpose to me, it hasn't for years before smartphone manufacturers started moving away from it. It's nothing more than a unused plug that can potentially break and whether you like it or not, most people nowadays have the same opinion as me..

There was a discussion to be had back when apple started to push for it, one can even argue that this was forced by apple before it's time. But we aren't talking about that, we are talking about today, about what should happen with this upcoming phone that is supposed to be functional for 10 years..

The idea that they should reintroduce a standard that has since almost completely disappeared in the smartphone world because a small minority of people want to connect professional studio headphones that are about as expensive as the smartphone itself is absolutely ridiculous..

[–] falkerie71 3 points 1 year ago

unused plug that can potentially break

They don't break if you don't use it... They are probably more resilient than USB-C ports.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's not always for professional headphones. I for example just want headphones that I don't have to charge, don't have to go into the settings if I want to use a different one, and doesn't occupy the USB port so I can charge when the battery dies while watching Youtube

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

with an apple-esque “you are doing it wrong” attitude

You make it seem as if it was just apple that wants to get rid of the 3.5mm jack in the smartphone market, which is simply not true.. I don't care for apple at all and I don't see what apple has to do with this discussion.. That discussion has already been had, back when the fairphone 4 was released, but some people still make the exact same arguments as in the years before..

focusing on the actual subject matter - the 3.5mm jack itself

The subject isn't whether the 3.5mm jack itself is a viable standard.. The subject is if it is a viable standard for modern smartphones.. And by now, the direction is clear..

I don't see the 3.5mm jack disappearing completely anytime soon, but in the modern smartphone world, I don't see a reason why we should cling to the 3.5mm jack when we already have USB as a standard that has the same functionality.. Especially now, when the switch has already happened..

Here’s why I don’t feel as if bluetooth or dongles are an appropriate replacement

Great, but can you also tell me why USB cable headphones are not an appropriate replacement? This is what I find so frustrating about this discussion, people always pretend that the options are either keeping the 3.5 mm headphone jack forever or using bluetooth headphones..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

USB headphones is yet another product manufactured with a narrow usecase, the audio world by and large outputs to either 2.5, 3.5 or 4.4 every step of the way. USB is completely phone centric.

  • Lack of a unified USB standard, meaning you will still have to deal with adapters to have compatibility across all devices. My PC for example only has USB A, my phone has lightning, my wifes has usbc, many peoples office PCs will also not have USB C just yet, although it does become less common to have a device without USB C.

  • USB output is digital, that means that you need to convert it to analogue, so your headphones need to put a DAC into them or the wire.

  • In many cases of headphone use you will actually not want the USB such as working with them in professional environments where you will be plugging them into an audio stack, where the autput is analogue already.

  • Some headphones need an AMP so power straight off the USB is not an option.

  • Balanced output.

A standard jack covers most usecases, headphones will never move to USB standard, they are analogue devices and should not have to have USB support on their end.

[–] Dogeek 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I personally don't care too much about the headphone jack (or lack thereof) when buying a new phone. That being said, for someone that doesn't care all that much about audio quality, Bluetooth headphones are just fine, and I prefer having a more water resistant phone (maybe I just bought into the marketing on that point, but it seems harder to waterproof a phone when there are holes in it, though the usb port is still there as a weak point so...)

I've just accepted that the lack of headphone jack is the new norm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yet the samsung galaxy s5 existed and had the same ip rating (ip67) as the iphone 8.

All while maintaining both the headphone jack and a removable battery.

All excuses are just that, excuses. They wanted to remove it to profit from the sales of more expensive buds.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One day smartphones will be small chips implanted into our brains and you people will still complain that they don't have a headphone jack.