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[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago (4 children)

What have they to gain from advocating against it?

[–] [email protected] 126 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

As to why a Scientology-owned group would care about such a matter, 404 Media suggested that it could have to do with Scientology E-meters, or electropsychometers. The Church of Scientology describes the machines as an "electronic instrument that measures mental state and change of state in individuals and assists the precision and speed of auditing" and that only a Scientology minister or training minister should use. 404 Media noted that some people collect the devices and, oddly enough, you can find E-Meters sold on eBay.

"My hunch is that the Scientologists think granting the hacking community permission to dig into their E-Meter software will expose the whole operation as snake oil. The request is like so many other anti-Right to Repair arguments: Manufacturers are afraid that access to repair materials will expose some of their other dirty secrets," Chamberlain said.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 11 months ago (6 children)

But isn’t their whole operation snake oil? Aliens crashing into a volcano and possessing humans is pretty dumb.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That wasn't always public knowledge. It was a thing you only learned about later on when you were more indoctrinated. Then undercover reporters found out and South Park made it very public.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It was mostly publicized via Usenet by Arnaldo Lerma, Dennis Erlich, Karin Spaink, David Touretzky, and other activists and ex-Scientologists starting in the early 1990s. The South Park episode didn't come out until over ten years later in 2005.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Gotta give them points for snake oil creativity though. Their nonsense is much more entertaining than hearing "invisible sky wizard did it" as the answer to every question for millennia.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait, their thing is alien volcano ghosts?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes, a long time ago an evil alien enslaved people and crashed into a volcano on Earth where they became ghosts and possessed the primitive humans living there. South Park has a good explanation of this lunacy

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've always wondered if the "THIS IS REAL SCIENTOLOGIST BELIEF" ticker was something planned early on, or if there was a moment of taking the whole thing in and someone went "This is fuckin' South Park. Everyone is going to think we're being extreme. We need to clarify."

[–] mindbleach 1 points 11 months ago

I think it was a callback to "All About Mormons," but I might be misremembering.

One example of clear last-minute sincerity was the two-parter with - and this is a real South Park episode - the manatees that write Family Guy and the prophet Mohammed. The black screen reading "Comedy Central has refused to broadcast of image of Mohammed on their network" was their, uh, compromise, when Comedy Central refused to broadcast the episode as delivered.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah. But in a world where JFK is coming back or something, a volcano cult isn't like stand-out crazy anymore.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Correct, but they want to keep plausible deniability.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nobody finds out their religious contraption doesn’t do anything and/or explains to other Scientologists what it actually does

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It's a Wheatstone bridge, a very well-known circuit that's used to measure resistance very accurately. That's about it. You can slap one together at home very easily. There's nothing special in this device that would even benefit from right to repair, any halfway decent engineer or hobbyist can figure it out. It's like wanting to repair a desk lamp, you don't need schematics or data sheets to do that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

While they are still essentially measuring galvanic skin response, modern ones have a lot more going on internally.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

TIL that I learned about Scientology in EE classes lol

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My guess is the machines are a complete fake and don’t do anything outside of having some fancy dials and meters that a select few people are trained on how to ‘trick’ people into making look like they do something.

If people start digging into it then shit will hit the fan.

My guess is they want this stopped or at the least delayed until they can come up with some other bullshit method.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They do do something. They are simple ohmmeters. They measure the body resistance of whoever's holding the probes. They took a common electronics tool and made it a religious artifact.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I thought some of the meditative religions did it first... They're always like "ohm"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

blessed be the jewel of the lotus

[–] mindbleach 2 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Make it harder for the free Scientology groups to operate. The groups offering the same services for free and without the accuser and they use second hand e-meters.

It's the methadone to the CoCs opium and the church doesn't like it.