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What the fuck, Lan, the legendary blade master loses to two fades?
Fades are no joke, but in the books he'd have turned them into sashimi
I think episode 1 was really good apart from that. The casting is really good (not how I pictured Eylas, but I can jive).
I thought that Moiraine's issues with the power were interfering with the benefits re stamina and agility that warders get with the bond. I thought that was what they were showing at the beginning of that episode when he was frustrated while training.
Ahhh ... that makes sense ... thanks! (not a book-reader)
I don't get why they are giving her an issue with her powers to begin with. That doesn't happen until much later and only as a result of a major event.
I didn't catch lan's frustration. I'll have to rewatch
I think book Lan would absolutely lose to 2 fades in the dark who are working together. Fades get to teleport from shadow to shadow. It's seriously underutilized in the books, but it's established early on.
Remember that the borderlands all have laws that require towns be lit well at night, in large part to prevent fades from doing their twleporting and doing sabotage. But also so that if they get attacked at night the fades are less threatening.
You forget he goes toe to toe with one of the best swordsmen from the age of legends and defeats him (though bad things happen to him after)
Also, if Mat can fight a Gholam to a standstill, Lan should havent have had trouble.
A Gohlam would shred a fade, no question.
Fain nails a fade to a barn door in the books.
I don't think I'm out to lunch here
He very specifically does not beat Demandred. He does, in fact, lose. He wasn't there to win though. He kills Demandred but was fully expecting not to survive the fight. Also, Demandred was interested in having a fair fight, and Lan had on a Medallion stopping him from cheating with the power. Against 2 fades at night he has NONE of those things, and the fades are free to teleport around him at will.
Mat fought the gholam to a standstill because he had the ONLY weapon on the planet that could harm it. If he hadn't had that, he would have been absolutely shredded. But because of the Medallion, the gholam was holding back because it was afraid Mat could maim or kill it, which was something it had never faced before.
The fade nailed to a barn door because he had crazy mind control powers, he didn't have to fight it. Fades will do what they're told when ordered by someone they fear enough, even go into certain death.
I feel the opposite, but not because Lan isn't an amazing badass. It's because fades are hardcore, and wasn't it 3 fades he fought (he chopped one's head off while two more emerged from the shadows, I think) instead of just 2? I think the fades were just about right power-wise or maybe even nerfed a bit, to be honest. Lan could take 1, would struggle with 2, but 3? He did a pretty good job killing 2 of 3, tbh.
Three fades makes more sense. I saw him cut the head off of the one but it didn't register that the third fade came out of nowhere. Still, look how they massacred my boy!
In the early books fades are really scary as you get further into the series, however they seem to get nerfed.
Yeah, fades are more easily killed by everyone in book 6 onward, I think. Maybe it's related to the introduction of the gholam.