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Tesla knew Autopilot caused death, but didn't fix it (www.theregister.com)

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Tesla knew Autopilot caused death, but didn't fix it::Software's alleged inability to handle cross traffic central to court battle after two road deaths

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like some people are such Tesla fanboys that they will argue when I say Tesla FSD is not real and never has been.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Probably because calling something "not real" is infuriatingly vague.

Feel free to expand on your position, I actually do want to know what "not real" means in this context.

If you mean, from a semantics perspective, that FULL means it should be a completely independent and autonomous system, bravo, you've made and won the most uninteresting form of that argument.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, don't call your service something it's not? Words should have meaning? Tesla's Autopilot is very impressive, but it's not fully independent, and that's okay. Honestly if it had an accurate name people wouldn't attack it so much. Other manufacturers are gaining similar capabilities but no one is complaining that their cars aren't perfect either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Autopilot is an accurate name as it takes over the mundane portions of the task. Airline pilots don't just hit a green button on the dash that says "fly" and the autopilot takes over until they hit a red "land" button. You can argue that people have a misconception about the word but the word itself is correct.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's my understanding that they actually could do that at this point, commerical flying is a controlled and predictable environment compared to driving on the road. Ten years ago I was hearing anecdotes from pilots saying the only thing they do is takeoff and land and even then the computer could handle it just fine if they let it. Maybe the autopilot in a Cesna sucks, but it's pretty much fully automated in an Airbus.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's a really tired argument. I agree, they should call it whatever will stop people from arguing about the name. Something super generic and meaningless and uncreative that doesn't encourage conversation. Something like Blue Cruise, ooh, or super cruise!

At least then 99% of the complaints wouldn't be about the least possible interesting part of it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

[comment clarification: I confused Autopilot and FSD]

Yeah they should have called it level 2 autonomous driving, like most other mass market car makers do (except Mercedes which have level 3 on the roads). People could then compare the different limits and clearly see what brands are or are not at the forefront of the tech.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I did not know that about Mercedes, so I had to go read about it. Level 3 is huge because that’s when the system is approved to not have constant human monitoring. It’s the difference between being able to read a book or use your phone on a boring trip, even if it might not get you fully door to door on many trips.

It can’t drive you home drunk, and you can’t sleep in your car (you have to be available to take over when requested) but it’s a huge jump in most practical usage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Realisticaly, i think FSD has the potential to be level 3 officially and probably some car makers have the tech to do it too BUT in the EU, if the car has a level 3 autonomous driving, the car maker becomes legally responsible of accidents when the driving conditions are met ( most EU states limit it to highways). For the time being,only Mercedes had the courage to try it (probably because they have ample knowledge of driving assistance through their trucking production.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have nearly 20k miles on tesla's FSD platform, it works amazingly well for something thats "not real". There are countless youtube channels out there where people will mount a gopro in their car and go for a drive. Some of them like AIDRIVR and Whole Mars Catalog pretty much never take over control of the car without any drama. Especially in the past ~6 months or so of development it has been amazing.