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Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.
Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the "Loli" announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.
Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?
There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?
edit: UPDATE
Take this update as you will
I'm taking it as a backtrack, but it's still not an instance I want to associate with.
Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven't seen any alternatives though
Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.
I dont think it was a case of "whoops bad English" like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.
:| loli does not refer to children. there are loli adults.
You can apply whatever definition to loli that you want, whatever makes you feel best.
for the rest
of us though,
we dont really want to be associated with this shit
The Pedos sure want to come out in full force don't they, pure scum. No surprise 90% have anime pfps.
citing a shitty dictionary doesn't change the facts. loli does not refer to an age. no matter how much you wish to cry and try and say it does.
Hey, if you go out of your way to find dictionaries that support your world view of naked pictures of kids thats up to you bud, more power to ya
Attacking people doesn't really help your point. Might want to think about that for a moment before replying like that.
While your point is valid, so is /u/nudes's
If you have to go looking for dictionaries that don't suggest you are attracted to underaged girls, you MIGHT want to take a long, hard look in the mirror.
I'm not interested in the matter at hand at all. Just pointing out personal attacks when I see them.
I don't know, I feel like this article I read a while ago that talks about ad hominem and coincidently being a creep that pertains to the situation and says how I feel about the idea. I did not write it, I just think it's accurate.
https://theoutline.com/post/8785/defense-of-ad-hominem
Nah I'm good
I don't need a dictionary to know how to speak english. loli/shota are well understood words in the weeb community. they don't refer to kids.
also, I don't look at that kind of hentai lol. but notably: loli/shota do not refer to nsfw things. there is sfw loli/shota pics and nsfw ones.
I have a hunch you're probably fine with actually illegal porn though while outcrying about this perfectly legal stuff.
If you want to be daft about the situation, more power to ya bud.
Its clear in context what the implication of allowing that content is, being contrary isn't going to change anything
their ruling is independent of the fact that the words loli and shota do not refer to children. I went to go look for the announcement post (since it wasn't linked) and it talks about content that isn't necessarily synonymous with loli/shota. in the post they explicitly say that they aren't allowing minors/children.
you're throwing a fuss about adults.
Post title
I'm telling people who don't want to see pics of naked kids that this particular instance is cool with that.
You're defending that instance.
I'm not throwing a fuss bud
I haven't said my view on their ruling lol. Though it says in the post they ban underage content. so it's all fine yeah?
my issue and reason for commenting is twofold:
defederation should not occur unless extreme circumstances (illegal content that will lead to kbin being shut down)
loli/shota do not refer to minors and it's important to clarify that fact.
IMO it seems obvious to me that they're talking about allowing adult loli/shota content. which is entirely legal and fine and has nothing to do with minors. I don't see an issue with this.
Some people would rather ignore Japanese culture and push their views on others. It is so strange to me that the west cannot tell drawings from reality.
It's not Japanese culture. I know a fair few Japanese friends who are disgusted by lolicon.
The fact is, if you're drawing childlike characters and putting them in sexual situations.. there's something fucked there. Sure, they're not real, but it's still fucked up to be attracted to that in the first place. They look like children!
It's Japanese culture in the same way guns are American culture. You don't have to like every aspect of your culture, but Japan is still the place loli/shota was crystalized into an artform, and America is still the country with the most guns by an extremely wide margin.
I've seen people get called a "pedophile" for liking Konata Izumi, a 17-18 year old character from the series Lucky Star. They weren't even called that because they were posting porn, they were called that because they liked to collect SFW art of her. Do you expect people to not create porn of her as well because someone might find it offensive however? It's so absurd to me.
The first thing I learned in therapy for PTSD is that I will get triggered, I will never be able to avoid my triggers forever, and that it's unhealthy to even try. I need to be able to handle triggers, which over time helps lessen their impact on my life. I don't see why other people should be denied enjoying something that harms no one just because it puts me on edge.
Hi, I'm an actual full grown real life 30 year old adult. I look like a minor. Should I just not be allowed to date and have relationships with other adults?
Hi, I'm an adult woman who also looks pretty young! There's still a huge difference between how I look now in my late 20s and how a prepubescent child looks! These things are false equivalencies. Stop trying to justify this shit.
You say prepubescent child - pubescent children are still children, anything to do with a real child under the age of consent is a child. If you are an adult that looks like you are under the age of consent, should you not be OK with your sexuality? I struggle with my sexuality because of people mistake me for a teen, but that is my hang up and I would not condemn others for embracing their body. Unless - are you suggesting that it is only bad if it resembles a prepubescent child?
there's also a difference between a prepubescent anime child and a loli anime adult.
The amount of mental gymnastics here is insane.
Just accept it bud, you like CP. This is pathetic.
If you can't tell the difference between a small adult and an actual child, you have major issues.
my thoughts exactly about people who are anti loli. if they can't tell the difference between a small anime adult and an actual anime child, you have major issues.
Except that argument doesn't work with anime because it's not real people, hence why some people draw characters that are 2000 year old vampires 5hat just so happen to look exactly like an 8 year old girl as a way to try and get away with it.
Of course not. But if you date and have relationships the other people involved understand the context exactly. If you started sending random nudes of your "I'm an actual full grown real life 30 year old adult. I look like a minor" self to strangers, how what would the context be.
Now of course NSFW animation is harmless. But you can understand the worry for 1000s of normies who click and the first thought they have is "Fuck is this CP? what am I looking at? I need to reevaluate my website choices." if they have zero reference points from life or culture except what's illegal tabboo and disgusting in their culture.
The great thing about the Fediverse though - there will likely be an instance where a vast majority share your opinion and can connect to all the same instances from an 3rd origin point instance.
If the concern is "normies seeing", then perhaps a suitable compromise would be to hide such content from the front page by default? so that only people who explicitly subscribe to it can see it?
I'm an advocate of "curate your own experience". I don't want to see half the fucked up nsfw shit people post, yet you do not see me crying over defederating instances that host it.
I don't even care about the ruling. I just hate that people keep conflating loli/shota with children when it really has nothing to do with that.
But yeah it's wild how people have issues with drawings.
I know and agree. People will tell you characters like Tatsumaki from One Punch Man is "minor coded". Rev Says Desu has great videos on these people freaking out over nothing.
The sad irony is that organizations that deal with actually helping stop actual predators have to tell people to stop reporting drawings because it's flooding their tip boxes.
I'm a CSA survivor myself and the virtue signaling people do around this topic triggers me almost as much as abusers themselves. I don't like people speaking for me, especially when they can't tell the difference between a drawing and an actual person.
Japanese culture can do what it wants.
I and the majority of other people just don't want to be browsing and come across pictures of naked kids.
Call me crazy, I know
No one will blame you for blocking the sub. Calling loli/shota "child porn" however is quite a bit over the line. It's like calling someone you disagree with a Nazi/Commie, it diminishes the term into nothingness, just look at the current state of the word "woke".
Can we at least save terms like "pedophile" and "child porn" for people who are actually pedophiles and are actually consuming something that required someone to be hurt?
Bud, you call a picture of a nude kid whatever you want.
I'll call it whatever I want
Going around accusing people of serious stuff like consuming child porn is impolite at best, malicious at worst. You can do whatever you want, but throwing around accusations only causes consternation within communities. Why do you think places like Twitter are so toxic?
If you don't like what the sub is doing you should block it and move on, there's no reason to get so upset over drawings even if you find them disgusting. There's plenty of stuff I find disgusting that people do, but if I spent my time getting upset about that I'd have no time to enjoy my life.
It's healthier for everyone involved for people to live and let live.
Nah, you jerk off to pics of kids youre going to have to learn to cop it on the chin.
Besides that, the enitre point of this post is to warn people about that instance and ask for alternatives.
All you pedos and apologists showing up to defend pictures of naked kids are just kicking up a stink that no one cares about
Shit like this is why I hide the fact I watch anime