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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I know I've read reports about the latest variants being much less deadly. I did see one study recently which for patients presenting to hospital covid was a few percentage points more likely to result in death compared to hospitalized flu patients. There were a lot more covid patients though.

Found it:

death rates among people hospitalized for COVID-19 were 17% to 21% in 2020 vs 6% in this study, while death rates for those hospitalized for influenza were 3.8% in 2020 vs 3.7% in this study

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2803749

So there is some data backing up the feelings I've gotten from everything I've been hearing and seeing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So that's almost twice as bad as the flu.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, that's one way to look at it. I looked at it as only a couple percent higher death rate than the flu. Either way, a little less than 2x is way better than like 5x worse.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago

Obviously it's better than before, but it's also worth keeping in mind these deaths are in addition to the flu.

Also, there are good and bad flu seasons. I see no reason for COVID to not be the same.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how severe an effect this would have on the numbers, but the death rate would non-negligibly go down after millions of the most vulnerable people died in the first wave. As well, the newer variants get more contagious and bypass immune responses more easily, and we're taking way fewer precautions as a society. so 6% is a lower percent but still an incredibly high number

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I saw it as an evolutionary benefit to be less deadly. The way I'm seeing this, the virus's purpose in life is to spread, so a higher infection and contagious rate with less death rate is ideal from an evolution standpoint.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ideal for it, not ideal for anyone who enjoys the full function of their mind and circulatory system.

The mind thing isn't a dig at you btw, it's a reference to the brain fog

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There’s one crucial thing you overlooked in this: in 2020, most people hadn’t been infected, and hadn’t gotten the vaccine (because there was no vaccine until December,and even then it was in extremely short supply). Now, most people have some sort of immunity, be it from vaccine or from a prior infection. That definitely skews the hospitalization numbers downward. You can’t compare then and now, unfortunately, since there’s no real community that hasn’t been vaccinated and hasn’t caught it - and so you can’t compare their numbers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's fair, but I think you can still compare it to the flu, which is not that far off from covid percentage wise. At this point both the flu and covid should be at an equal level of people having vaccines and natural antibodies, right? Even if you go with covid being about twice as deadly as the flu, twice as deadly as almost nothing is still almost nothing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m sure “almost nothing” is quite comforting for the families of the 1.1 million Americans who died.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry, but people die of lots of different things all the time, it sucks but it's a part of life

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hundreds of thousands of Americans will die this year from COVID. Sure, almost nothing. Just a 9/11 every two weeks or so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thousands die every day from tons of other stuff also, just a part of life.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That reality is reality? People die of lots of different things, I'm sorry I'm that's news to you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's the problem that people like you let this be reality. That we just dismiss millions of preventable deaths as mere statistics rather than doing simple and easy things like wearing masks during pandemics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I wore one when I was required to and didn't wear one when I wasn't, so sorry for following the rules?