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Some of them do.
Many do now. They shut it down prior to landing which sucks.
Some of them show landing too. I had one that show us descending through a fog bank that was crazy. I don't know how those pilots do it, balls of steel I guess.
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But you have to trust the instruments and not become disoriented, takes lots of training and practice.
Or Autoland or a HUD landing which both can go down to 0/0, conditions permitting. There's a lot of tools these days that pilots (especially Air Transport Pilots) can use to fly. And yes, all of it requires fairly extensive training.
After watching Mentour Pilot I have an appreciation of just how much training they undergo. It's basically the closest thing we have to a real Starship Enterprise type setting where the captain seems to have an answer to everything that comes up, because that's precisely what they aim for.
I love Mentour Pilot! I'm sad I live in the US and may never have him as a pilot. It's comforting knowing all the extensive training they go through and how many checklists and systems there are to avoid disasters.
Pffft I've played Flappy Bird. How hard can it be?
Very few airports are rated for it. Hong Kong is the only one that I know off hand. Mainly because they have so much fog and not great alternatives that they allow it. Very few planes keep up that certification either unless they commonly land in those situations.
That being said, in a crunch, the majority of modern aircraft could likely do it if there was no other choice. Might result in a hard landing and damage but would be survivable.
I actually have my private pilots licence. Had bought a Piper arrow that was IFR rated. I am not rate IFR but my instructor was.
Flew one flight to a small airport during real IFR conditions with my instructor. Uses GPS for localizer and glideslope. This particular airport minimum was 200 feet. That means if you don't see the runway by 200, you abort. Anyhow the cloud layer was started at 5000 right down to 300 feet. Was beautiful day with zero turbulence. When we entered the clouds, it literally felt like you were not moving and just in a heavy fog. Your engine is even decreased and quiet as you are descending. You watch the instruments like a hawk because it is easy to lose spacial orientation and death comes shortly after that. The only really movement is watching your attitude decrease which is very eerie. Being we were flying into an unmanned airport, for all you know the clouds go right into the ground so watching for the abort attitude is critical. In this case the cloud layer was particularly low at 300 feet. We broke thru the clouds with 100 feet to spare before abort attitude. Literally about three seconds later we were starting the flare and landing.
You literally rely on your instruments 100 percent and hope that altitude indicator is right on. You have a minimum of two attitude indicators. If they were both to fail in real IFR conditions, conditions where you can't see the horizon, very few pilots will survive. You can't feel the horizon at all. There is no way to tell if you are level.On the ultimate failure, you can use slew, altitude, turn indicator, worried to try and fly out of the condition. But few pilots could successfully do that for any extend time.
They fly using instruments. Not like their vision helps them anyway.
In my country our flag carrier does it because they usually arrive too early and have to circle around which for some reason caused bad reviews.
So they just turned the damn thing off, which makes things worse IMO. This happens with both ouTGoing and incoming flights, unfortunately.
I imagine if the slightest thing seemingly goes wrong it could have a snowball effect.
People rushing in panic in any direction out of fear or curiosity.
Landing a plane that size is hard enough but with all the mass tumbling around makes it even more unpredictable.
The seatbelts aren't for your safety allone, they also keep your mass in place so the plane doesn't react unpredictably.
Also a big plus if during the turbulences you're not getting flailed by the whirling around extremities of a beltless corpse or getting crushed by its torso.
Remember, force equals mass times speed and there can be a lot of accelerstion during turbulences.
Possibly. I do recall a commercial aircraft crashing when a bunch of people ran to the back of the aircraft because an alligator got loose. Something to that effect anyhow. Pretty sure was in Africa. Can't find a source for that.
Overall large commercial are pretty stable. Don't think you could effect c of g much laterally but possibly longitudinally you could.
The A350 with Lufthansa for example had it.
Yeah, I've seen this on flights since 2010