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Pangolin at Work #1 (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) by Reverendender to c/[email protected]
 

EDIT: It’s honestly hard to believe how intense and personal some of the hostility in this thread is. I understand objecting to something when there is a valid concern, especially about ethics or consent. But this is something else entirely. It feels less like people are engaging with the actual work and more like they are reacting to the mere presence of AI in any form, regardless of context.

I don’t think LLMs are universally good or bad. I think they are very very bad at a large number of things, especially when people try to use them as shortcuts in places where care, originality, or expertise (or human understanding and subsequent empathy) are required. But they are also extremely effective in other use cases when used with skill, intention, and thought. That is the position I hold. It is nuanced. It does not dismiss the criticisms people have raised, but it also does not treat every use of the technology as automatically unethical or invalid.

What I did was not a random one-line prompt into a generator. I gave deliberate, specific instructions about pose, anatomy, style, and tone. I gave feedback. I adjusted the inputs. I guided it through a process that produced something unique and original. The result is not a collage of stolen images. It is not a copy of anything that has ever existed. That is important context, and it is constantly ignored in these arguments.

There is a real difference between raising concerns in good faith and launching personal attacks at people who use a tool in a considered way. The people jumping into these threads with moral outrage are not engaging in objective analysis. They are repeating talking points as if AI art is some kind of singular personal enemy. It often feels like they are reacting based on something they heard someone else say, rather than thinking critically about what is in front of them.

And this is happening in a community that is supposed to be supportive of neurodivergent people. That is the part I find most maddening. There is room here for discussion and for disagreement. But instead of debate, we get judgment, condescension, rabid hostility, and attempts to shame people for trying something different. That is not the kind of environment anyone should want to foster.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago (19 children)

"You aren't allowed to make a quick joke unless you spend countless hours developing your art skills".

You people are weird.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (17 children)

countless hours? find three .pngs in google, a pangolin, a chair, and a desk. put them together in something barely more advanced than paint (so opacity is preserved), and it's done. time to learn that skill: 10min max, time to use that skill after the initial learning time: 2min per image

it doesn't have to be good, it doesn't have to be drawn, it can be 3 pictures smushed together that's okay, what it does have to be, in my opinion, is made by a person. Not a glorified plagarism water boiler

[–] AwesomeLowlander -1 points 1 day ago (7 children)

it doesn't have to be good, it doesn't have to be drawn, it can be 3 pictures smushed together that's okay, what it does have to be, in my opinion, is made by a person. Not a glorified plagarism water boiler

Good for you, you're free to do that when you start making your own comics. Now explain why you think everybody else should share your same value set?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i am an artist, i actually create things regularly, on various levels of effort.

because plagiarism is bad. and wasting water is also bad. as it is today AI is not ethical in the slightest.

read about it before you decide to make a clown out of yourself

[–] AwesomeLowlander 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

read about it before you decide to make a clown out of yourself

The arrogance is astounding. You immediately assume that anybody with a differing opinion than yours has that opinion because they are uninformed and clueless, and once they have the facts in hand they will immediately come around to your PoV.

i am an artist

I guessed. Most of you haters are either feeling your livelihood being threatened or resenting that you had to spend hundreds of hours learning to draw and insisting everybody else has to do the same.

[–] Reverendender 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a republican.

Oh wow you're just a tool then I guess... The most "republican" thing I've seen in this thread is you refusing to accept valid criticism about using garbage technology.

[–] Reverendender 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s not valid criticism. It’s openly hostile insults and trash-talking. No one making these comments is looking to have a constructive dialogue, they’re looking to cause emotional distress. Which is particularly awful given the fucking community we’re in!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

youre using a tool developed by technocratic fascist companies, which uses insane amounts of water and energy. fuck your feelings, this is my planet too. you dont care about anyone other than yourself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 46 minutes ago

And how much fucking power do you think the global telecommunications industry and data hosting that enables you to post your pathetic hate on Lemmy uses? Fucking moron, go fuck yourself.

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