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For reference see Bernie Sanders.
Exactly
The guy who regularly wins primaries for his Senate seat and is re-elected?
The guy who never, at any point, won national primaries for the Democratic nomination for President and therefore wasn't nominated for the Presidency?
I love Bernie, but everyone acting like he was treated unfairly by the party establishment when it was the party base that voted against him is dumb. If he'd won the primaries and then the superdelegates chose Clinton or Biden, that'd be a different story. But that's not what happened. He lost the primaries, and the people who won those primaries received the nominations.
Did you somehow forget that the DNC was caught conspiring with the Clinton campaign?
Did you forget that when they were sued over it the DNC argued in court that they have the right to choose who would be the Democrat nominee? And that the promise to be impartial in their charter was a mere "political promise" (aka a lie) and they were under no obligation to actually be impartial?
No one is "acting" like anything. It's a straight up fact that they admitted to under oath.
Did the DNC manipulate the vote? Did they override the primary results? Or did the majority of primary voters support Clinton?
Most of the people who bitch and moan about it didn't actually bother to vote in the primary. I voted for Bernie. I was out-voted and instead of crying and refusing to vote I voted for Clinton in the general election because Trump was too dangerous while a bunch of Bernie "supporters" didn't.
Then they got possy with Harris over her objectively-less-bad position on Israel than Trump's, allowing him to win again.
Show up to the primaries to move the party left. But also show up the the general if you lose, because the reality is twice now people's demand of perfection from the Dems has resulted in Trump being president.
Yes, they did. They clearly and unambiguously did. They were caught red handed doing it and never denied that they had. They argued in court that it was their right to manipulate voters in order to get their preferred candidate the nomination. I don't know of any definition of the word "manipulation" that wouldn't encompass their actions.
Perhaps even more importantly, do you imagine for even one second that the DNCs policy or strategy has changed even one iota? Do you think they have magically and for no reason at all stopped manipulating things in order to get their preferred candidate nominated? Do you not find it problematic that they admitted in federal court to not being impartial and that they are within their rights to choose the nominee?
The rest of your post is irrelevant to my point, those things were not what I was discussing. I was directly responding to your statement which I quoted, but I'll address it anyway.
I agree that people should practice harm reduction by voting for the DNC's terrible candidates when the alternative is literal fascism. I did and so did most Bernie supporters, despite them being understandably upset by the DNCs underhanded tactics.
I know it's a popular narrative amongst liberals to blame leftists and "Bernie Bros" for the DNCs failures in getting candidates nominated who could actually win against the Orange Fascist, but it's not their fault.
It was the racist and sexist "moderates" who were responsible for Trump getting elected, as the data clearly shows.
But let's say for arguments sake that it actually was the leftists and Bernie supporters who caused Clinton and Harris to be defeated by Trump. If that were the case, do you really think it would be a wise strategy to keep blaming them for Trump? Do you think doubling down on propping up right wing Democrats and fighting against more progressive Democrats would be a good strategy in such a scenario?
If you think that Biden and Harris' "softer, gentler, but still clearly genocide" position on Israel was the only criticism that leftists had of them, then you clearly weren't trying to hear what we had to say, and maybe that is part of the problem.
My definition of manipulating the vote would be changing the results.
They didn't do that. Clinton got more primary votes than Sanders. Biden got.more primary votes than Sanders.
And the reason they didn't like Bernie makes some sense. Bernie wasn't a Democrat. He was an independent who decided to run on the Democratic ticket because he knew that running third party would split the vote. But the Dems didn't like the outsider trying to take over the party. They saw it as an attempt at a hostile takeover.
Ok? That doesn't disprove anything I said.
How do you know? The parties literally run the elections, and they have already admitted they are biased and believe they have the right to pick the candidate. I wouldn't put it past an organization so corrupt to do exactly that
Clearly the corporate sellout, neoliberal centrists aren't going to like the fact that an actual leftist was becoming more popular than them. He would make it harder to stay in the pocket of the megacorps.
The point is what you said about them not treating Bernie unfairly is patently false.
The point is in a Democracy, especially one where we are limited to two parties, they absolutely should be impartial and listen to what their constituents actually want, and not prop up establishment Dems simply because that's what they would prefer.
The point is the biggest hurdle to actual progress is the party that people depend on to make progress.
The point is that it's concerning that you don't have a problem with their underhanded tactics.
Why did you even vote for Bernie if you are a neoliberal? Are you just saying random shit to try and confuse people?
I'm not really sure what your game is or why you are making excuses for disturbing behavior amongst Democrats, but honestly it's gross.
Do you think Buttigieg actually won the Iowa caucus?
You're just going to ignore the democratic party coordinating all the candidates to drop and put their support behind Biden while funding a PAC to keep Warren in the race to split votes with Bernie right before super tuesday? Plus having their big media buddies run the story of "the Biden miracle" after getting democratic party stooge Clyburn to endorse Biden and come out ahead in South Carolina (the state that went to Trump in the general election, by the way).
Also, the superdelegates made it look like the lead that Clinton had was so insurmountable that it was pointless to turn out for Bernie.
If you think these have no effect then, by the same logic, you'd think that billionaires spending tons of money on PACs has no effect.
Clyburn endorsed Cuomo. His endorsement can't even swing a mayoral primary anymore. Thank god.
I think his endorsement still holds sway in his state of South Carolina, but thankfully it doesn't mean anything in New York.
It held sway in tx when he endorsed coathanger cuellar.
His influence is waning.
People downvoting you: "no, not like that".