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[–] [email protected] 143 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (24 children)

After Trump was elected and inaugurated, Signal has finally been gaining some steam here in the Netherlands.

It's still an American company, so it's not ideal. But it's still significantly better better than letting a tech giant like Facebook have control over the most commonly used chat app.

WhatsApp needs to go and Signal is the most likely way in which we can achieve that. We can worry about the American elephant in the room later.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (17 children)

There is threema, a Swiss messenger that gained some popularity earlier since they had end to end encryption before whatsapp.

Unfortunately the source code is not open (even though they do get annual audits with public reports), and the client costs 3 EUR or something (once).

[–] sqgl 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

That's just the client, the server architecture is what really matters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

FYI, while Threema front-end clients (apps) are open-source (and offer reproducible builds, which is surprisingly uncommon in open-source land), the server component, though supposedly audited, remains closed-source.

EDIT: for comparison, the Signal server code is mostly open source, but things like the spam filter are closed.

[–] sqgl 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thanks.

And I didn't know Signal had spam filters. It makes sense to not make that open source.

In my circle of 20 there has only been one instance of spam over several years. 3 of us got the same message.

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