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Easy enough to enforce. Put all your IoT devices into their own subnet/VLAN with no Internet access. Then, you'll quickly see which devices you need to replace, or just not use as "smart" devices.
I have a ton of smart devices that don't even connect to wifi at all. None of them have Internet access of any sort.
Easy enough! except, that most people don't even know what is a VLAN, let alone have any network device that supports it. It takes a special kind of router to have such settings, and no, OpenWRT is not the solution for that as they have limitations on the minimum amount of memory the device has to have
So it's a skill issue, then? Got it. Any old PC + a $10 pcie network adapter can be turned into a router capable of it.
it is first and foremost a
Hardware issue.
but also who the fuck wants to have a power hungry PC as the router. old PC, so we can probably count with 80 W at the least
but also, how the fuck would a PC help with the skill issue?
Here, let me help.
https://ebay.us/m/3res0I
Less than 20 USD.
Like I said. Not willing to even try to look for something appropriate for your use case.....
That's an auction, my dude. It's already at $26, not including the $22 shipping charge.
It means you don't know how to make it work. Last I checked, a used N100 all in one PC with dual Ethernet is cheaper than even most brand new consumer routers, and also sips watts.
also, in my area most people either use the ISP router, or buy the cheapest ones which is around 50-75 eur which there are plenty, and they are already complaining that it's too expensive
cheapest n100 I see here is 100 eur: https://www.amazon.fr/intel-n100/s?k=intel+n100
I'm not in france.
You can't buy used on Amazon. I said used
The largest majority of people also can't be bothered to do a single shred of research before buying something. How is that anyone else's problem but theirs?
The best consumer protection comes from the consumer. Do a bit of research before you buy something.
If you can't be bothered to take a few extra minutes to do that, then quite frankly, you deserve to be fucked by scammers.
and this is exactly how being fucked by scammers will become normal
stop with your fucking elitism and start thinking what to do for those whos work/hobby is not in IT, because that's 99.999% of people.
It's not elitism to say "If you want something done right, do it yourself."
Elitism?
Dude. I am an almost 50 year old, former truck driver with no formal education on any of this shit, and yet, I managed to figure it out.
If you can't, then that's most assuredly a YOU problem.
SURELY you're smarter than a truck driver?
"I, a person of a low status, figured it out. Therefore I am better, and you're stupid and lower than me if you can't do the same thing"
That's literally elitism, my dude. You're acting as if figuring out a specialty task somehow puts you on a higher pedestal than others who don't happen to have that same skillset.
Like, you did a thing, good for you, but now you're being an absolute assclown about it and pulling up the ladder instead of being even remotely helpful.
It's not about me, but about all the people around me
So punish those of us who do know how to make the cheap stuff work in a way we want, by removing the cheap stuff from the market, because other idiots don't?
Yeah, solid idea.
where did I recommend that?
It is a natural consequence of tighter regulations.
to me that sounds like arguing that banning behavioral advertising would result in all monetarily free social platforms stopping to exist
chinese tech was cheap even before datamining and IoT was a thing. "banning" datamining wouldn't make chinese tech expensive
largest majority of smarthome shit users don't know or care how computers work. are you willing to legally ban them from buying these garbage? or what is the solution?
and then they need to set it up (wtf, they have issues navigating their phones), and get it maintained (updates)
Again. That's a lack of skill. Why is it my problem?
If they can't be bothered to do 5 minutes of research before buying something, that's on them.
Caveat emptor.
Because when manufacturers see that they can get away with this shit, they will all start doing it, and then you can stick up your research because there will be nothing else.
Only if it's made too hard for a new company or more options to emerge.