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Liberals need to ask why the fuck their leaders are so keen on catching fascist flies, but so nakedly hostile to LGBTQ / Muslim / College Debtor / Migrant Laborer / M4A voters.
Because America is mostly a bunch of shit-eating flies and you don't win elections without them.
Because people are terrible.
Flies prefer the stinkiest turd.
Weird, I keep hearing that the dems lost because of progressives and leftists sitting out over Gaza. But I guess the libs would rather lose and fail again at trying to get 'centrists' than appease that apparently pivotal electoral bloc.
You can walk and chew gum at the same time. Denounce misogyny and homophobia as well as the anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia that was purposely stirred up by neocons after 9/11 to inflame jingoism and support for imperialism.
Islam is not a monolithic platonic form, it's the ideas of the people who call themselves Muslim. As people they deserve to be free from bigotry based on their innate characteristics. If you only allow for groups to be uplifted if they're perfect and free from sin, you will always be able to find fault and reason to continue oppression.
Do you think I'm homophobic? You're not making an argument, you're just brandishing Islamophobia as if it will accomplish something.
Because you're so fucking obtuse that you confuse the book with the religion, no one knows how to explain this shit to someone this fucking dense.
Edit: educate yourself on where the current extreme homophobia in the middle east is coming from
https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/06/06/how-homosexuality-became-a-crime-in-the-middle-east
or more carefully studied in one instance here: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/homophobic-muslims-emerging-trends-in-multireligious-singapore/2B06C99F6DB951C400B24AC82C5BF2A9
the tl;dr is the current severity of the persecution of LGBTQ+ people in muslim countries stems from europe. Not from Islam. Because the stance of one of the largest religions, that is 1200 years old, on any topic has not and never will be as uniquely and clearly defined as you think it is.
1885 was 140 years ago.
Many of these countries have been independent for at least 70 years.
Why do they still have homophobic British laws?
Read the paragraph after
so it again traces back to the western powers who keep funding islamic fundamentalism as well as the population having such animosity towards the west because of what we did to them that politicians over there can just point at something, call it western, and people automatically assume it's bad.
Let's return to the origin of this so that you might be able to see where the accusation of Islamophobia is coming from.
In response to someone wondering why democrats are so quick to abandon marginalized groups, you singled out Muslims to decry as authoritarian, misogynistic, homophobic, pedophilic, rape apologists.
In response to my point that we should denounce multiple negative things at once including the faults that you identified as well as Anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia - two prejudices that are intrinsically linked and were politically weaponized - you doubled down on denouncing Islam and implied that no support should be offered to Muslims.
I'm not asking you to avoid criticizing Islam as a religion, I'm asking you to see Muslims as people and recognize that they have been also marginalized and deserve justice too. Please take some time to reflect on this.
How about American Christianity or Orthodox Judaism?
Whether we're talking about 4,000,000 people, 224,000,000 people or 1,928,000,000 people no religion is a monolith.
Thank you.
Because they're human beings who live in your country and deserve all the same respect and dignity of non-Muslims.
Fortunately, you don't have to force anyone to do that to cater to Muslims. You just need to hold off on the impulse to harass and brutalize them for having a different flavor of "Trad Wife" conservative culture than Christians and Jews, whom we appear to have no trouble pandering towards.
It's for the same reason we don't criminalize being a Hasidic Jew or an Orthodox Mormon or a family member of Opus Dei. Snatching someone off the street and throwing them into ICE blacksites does not become laudable because the religious sect is primarily composed of Africans and Arabs.
This is a reactionary talking point used to discriminate against minorities.
Respect is earned.
Being a bigot is.
No, but you're a bigot for extrapolating from a few sentences of a book to ~1/4 of the world population. You've constantly been referencing tropes, cliches and stereotypes about muslim people that show you have a very flat and cartoonish view of muslims. You seem to be thinking that being snarky about all religions gives you the right to be snarky about muslim people. It is one thing to be snarky and dismissive about religion (imo still cringe but whatever) but being snarky and dismissive of people and their culture is something else entirely.
Iraq, 1960, before US operations in the region during the Cold War:
Muslim extremism is a direct result of US intervention in the Middle East to use countries in the region to fight a proxy war against the spread of communism. The CIA had a years-long operation where they literally air-dropped extremist Muslim propaganda into the region to radicalize the population.
We destroyed the largest democracy in the region and installed a dictator at the behest of British Petroleum (BP) because they elected a man who was going to kick them out and nationalize the industry due to the horrible pay and working conditions they forced on the country. Al-Qaeda started as CIA-backed resistance fighters known as the Mujahideen. The list of issues created by European and American meddling in the region is miles long - neo-colonialism at work.
And the only time the Bible ever made mention of LGBT people is if you go all the way back to the Latin text where one of the people that Jesus healed was a soldier's slave where the word used was a type of male slave the Romans usually kept for sex.
And as far as I know, the Torah makes no mention of LGBT people either, but Hebrew supposedly has pronouns specifically for FTM people that expressly recognizes them as men trapped in the bodies of women.
When all this stuff was written, LGBT people were simply a fact of life that nobody thought needed defending because the two genders bigotry and homophobia came later as a package deal with the spread of European Christianity (and the problems with Islamic culture are the direct result of the US spreading radical Muslim propaganda, as mentioned before - it was exported out of the Middle East). It's not the religion itself that's the problem, but the people who use it as a shield for their hatred. Bigots will be bigots, and religion is just an excuse that they can twist to justify their actions. India has been having trouble for years with Buddhist extremists who are just as bad as the worst of the crazies in the US, and Buddhism is probably the most peaceful religion in the world.
It's like the 2nd Amendment and the US Constitution - old documents created in a different time with different problems being reinterpreted to justify modern hatred.
Begging liberals to stop stereotyping muslims and spreading islamophobia.
As a christian who grew up in Turkey I can personally attest to the existence of many differing opinions ranging from the complete chud to the open minded. Just like with every other religion or really any group of people. Also there are a lot of gay muslims, I don't know why people make this either-or distinction, a person can be more than one thing.
And those countries are a true representation of the people? How many peoples democracies are in the middle east? And why are there so little, who keeps providing the initial armaments for groups like ISIL, Al-qaeda the taliban and so on? Must be the most homophobic country on earth! Another fun fact, a lot if not all, the homophobic sentiment got exported during british or french colonisation.
As for "acceptance or religion":
Jesus fuck talk about western chauvinism
Guess how many MidDle EasTerneRs are muslim? Also what about north africans? Central and south east asian people? Do you know how LARGE a group muslims are? That statistically there must be 100s of millions of gay muslims?? Quit with this Muslim=arab=Middle easterner="cishet brown person in a police state" bullshit, its racist.
How many gay Southern Baptists are there? They might be in the 10 000s.
Yes every muslim across time and space is just like an american fundamentalist from today. You are a very smart person.
The ones in power and a majority of the adherents seem to be.
Read the material I posted in the other comment I know you saw it because you responded with a similarly clever remark