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Some worry that New York City’s crackdown on unsafe cyclists leaves them facing greater consequences than drivers, even though cars cause more fatalities.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 week ago (64 children)

Unpopular opinion, both sides should stop running fucking red lights.

[–] 9488fcea02a9 109 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (35 children)

Cars running red lights = driver slamming on the gas trying to beat the yellow. 3000kg of steel and glass travelling at 60+km/hr in a crowded city

Bikes "running" red lights = riders looking both ways and coasting through when it's clear... 100kg of flesh and aluminium going 10km/hr

These are not even remotely close to the same levels of danger...

So while everyone should follow the rules, enforcement should focus on those with the potential to do the most damage

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bikes “running” red lights = riders looking both ways and coasting through when it’s clear

FWIW this is not how it works in Philadelphia. Here, a lot of cyclists just sail through red lights and stop intersections without stopping first and without even looking to see if there's any cross-traffic first. As an avid cyclist myself, it absolutely blows my mind how often they do this and somehow avoid dying. There are a lot of bike fatalities here, but it's almost always the result of large trucks turning right across bike lanes and flattening somebody they never saw.

[–] 9488fcea02a9 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sure, there are those crazy bike messenger types blowing through red lights at full speed

But thats not the majority of offenders. And still nowhere NEAR the danger of cars doing the same thing, even at lower speeds.

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