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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A distraction, by definition, must provide some amount of value. The amount is likely low, but must offer more than what it is in competition with. Certainly when a class is offering no value, the value of a distraction need not be high to be able to offer more value.

We agree that students not deriving value are a distraction to the teacher. Send them on their way to find something that is providing them value/more value than TikTok. While we have primarily focused on the wasting of student time, we have also touched on it being a waste of teacher time. As before, we don't need make work projects.

The focus must be on value delivery. When value is not being delivered, there needs to be a rethink. Suppressing a symptom does not cure the illness and sentimental attachment is not good reason to hang on to an illness.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol no a distraction does not provide value, by itself. And no it does not offer more value than an actual class. That's not what a distraction is.

Value is being delivered in class, and the distraction is distracting from that value. And removing phone helps remove that distraction. This is not one or the other, you add things that help and you take away things that hurt. It's not a binary. You do things together.

You're so twisted around on terms and trying to twist the result means, and then trying to put it as a binary one thing or the other. Factors work together. I'm not replying further.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A distraction must provide value and it must provide more value than the alternative. Humans always seek to maximize available value, so if there is no value proposition then the behaviour will not take place.

The dopamine hit of TikTok can be pretty decent value, all things considered. An un-engaging teacher droning on is of decidedly low value. If the teacher cannot rise above TikTok, TikTok is going to win every time.

Decent value is not high value, though. It is not that hard to provide value that exceeds that of TikTok. You only have to step outside to see kids doing all kinds of interesting things without phones in their faces. Again, you only see the phones come out when the alternative is of depressingly low value.

I get the feeling you are trying to push what you find valuable onto others. Life doesn't work that way. Value is determined by each individual for themselves.