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How Chase Oliver would handle Israel | Centre Stage shorts
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZUKEznaw8aU
Oh, and the USSR—under Stalin—was the first country to recognize the Zionist state of Israel.
Yeah apparently there was something going on where USSR and Jews had an amicable relationship because of the history of Jewish people always existing in Russia, and them saving them from nazi Germany
Pretty sure Russia was Pogrom king and they wanted to get rid of the Jews too.
I feel it would be helpful to me to have a conversation regarding this, at some point, at least clear up some of my own confusion, but probably not itt.
Didn't German Jews support Germany in WWI as they saw it as less antisemitic than Russia?
Afaict, it's because Herzl was an antisemetic Jew. He considered himself one of the good ones and Balfour made relocation more expedient. This isn't blaming the Jews suffering under the Reich for flight rather than flight. They found themselves in an impossible situation, otherwise, afaict.
Apparently Herzl died 10 years before WWI.
FWIW:
wp:History of the Jews in Germany#World War I
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzl's_Mauschel_and_Zionist_antisemitism
Yep.
his Wikiquote page:
wq:Theodor Herzl
So my history on Eastern Europe is quite lacking and this might be completely wrong but from what I recall Russia conquered a few countries like Poland and Ukraine and suddenly they had Jews living in Russian territory. Then Russia started doing Pogroms (The word Pogrom was invented in Russia). Knowing that, I would assume that German Jews at that time would not be very warm to Russian conquest but I really don't have enough historical knowledge on the subject.
Yes, would you be interested in starting a separate thread for further discussion? I'd also like to clear up my fuzziness. As a US-ian educated before education was quite as bad as it is now, I wouldn't have known about Herzl's attitudes that influenced his work, nor the Balfour agreement, had it not come up for an online discussion that came up with regard to Israel and Palestine in the late nineties or early aughts.
I feel like if we started a thread discussing this it would be like two AI's hallucinating against eachother. I'm also not very interested in Herzls backstory, for the simple reason that he saw the Palestinians the same way (or even worse) as the Europeans treated the Jews.
Herzl himself also was a very rich dude from a rich family and he certainly didn't face any of the suffering or antisemtism which other Jews faced at the time.
I certainly can understand that, while also wanting to get to the bottom of this! I'll probably start a new thread about it, but not right now.
Regarding his back story, I find it immensely interesting in that he was racist all around.
Oh wow! You writing that struck like lightning! Maybe his racism against Jews and Palestinians boils down to classism.
I should be doing any number of things else, but this topic is bothering me. From what I've found on a quick search, pograms seemed stubbornly persistent, despite the revolutionary stance against, and discouragement of racist sentiment. I'll post links, and if there are refutations, look at them in due course.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire
https://jacobin.com/2017/06/russian-revolution-antisemitism-pogroms-reactionary-workers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms_during_the_Russian_Civil_War
And from a Zionist perspective,
https://www.timesofisrael.com/20-years-before-the-holocaust-pogroms-killed-100000-jews-then-were-forgotten/
I've merely quickly skimmed these myself, but post here to return to read later, and for your perusal, at your leisure.
Me neither. 😁
But yeah, that's kind of my take on it too. Thanks for your reply. 🙂
Yeah Biden absolutely could've withheld aid and ended the genocide with 1 phone call but he loves genocide too much
I think it's indifference rather than love, but yeah, he could have done so much with so little to stop it, with little risk of the Democrats losing the White House in 2024. Ditto Harris. (Ditto Trump—health concerns aside, he still has 45 months to at least try to redeem himself a bit.)
The Leahy law required that he withhold arms sales.
He broke the law for netanyahu.
Then I suppose he can be prosecuted.
By whom?
Biden has a life time of publicly loving the genocidal state of Israel.
The USSR and Stalin were bad, whats your point? Can you say the same of biden and condemn him?
I sometimes think of this when leftists, particularly tankies, attack (presumably all) non-far-right non-leftists for dithering, or allegedly dithering, on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict;
but yeah, Joe Biden was/is bad for supporting Israel. Ditto Harris, Bill Maher, and Fetterman.
Whataboutism