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US States enforcing new age verification for adult content—how could this be done properly?

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Seeing the news about Utah and Virginia over in the US, there's been a lot of discourse about how unsafe it is to submit government ID online. Even the states that have their own age-verification portals are likely to introduce a lot of risk of leaks, phishing, and identity theft.

My interest, however, focused on this as an interesting technical and legislative problem. How _could_ a government impose age-verification control in a better way?

My first thought would be to legislate the inclusion of some sort of ISP-level middleware. Any time a user tried to access a site on the government provided list of adult content, they'd need to simply authenticate with their ISP web credentials.

Parents could give their children access to the internet at home or via cellular networks knowing this would block access to adult content and adults without children could login to their ISP portal and opt-out of this feature.

As much as I think these types of blocks aren't particularly effective—kids will pretty quickly figure out how to use a VPN—I think a scheme like mine would be at least _as effective_ as the one the governments have mandated without adding any new risk to users.

What do you all think? Are any of you from these states or other regions where some sort of age-restriction is enforced? How does this work where you are from?

Edit:

Using a simple captive portal—just like the ones on public wifi—would probably be the simplest way to accomplish this. It's relatively low friction to the end-user, most web browsers will deal with the redirect cleanly despite the TLS cert issues, and it requires no collection of any new PII.

Also, I don't think these types of filters are useful or worth legislating, I'm just looking at ways to implement them without harming security or privacy.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It will probably just kill off porn companies, have you seen how much porn is on telegram? People would just use that instead. ___

Porn is basically completely free nowadays anyway

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think there's any risk of _any_ of these schemes killing off internet porn.

The current government schemes all rely on porn companies opting in and on the government/ISPs to catalog all porn sites on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you literally downvote me because I pointed out that 1. you misread my first answer 2. That age verification will fail as hardly anyone would use it

What’s the point in having a conversation if you are going to behave like that 🤣

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm on mastodon, so I can't downvote (only "like", which translates to an upvote).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ah ok my apologies then

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Didn’t say internet porn, I said porn companies. Like pornhub. At the moment they rely on premium subscriptions and advertising as their source of income.

Age verification by ID is stored by a 3rd party. Straight away you’ve cut off a large portion of pornhubs users so eventually they go bankrupt. People will want to retain anonymity when watching porn, so will migrate to services like telegram where it’s basically impossible for governments to control, short of banning the app that is like they are discussing with tiktok

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@Senseibu

It might hurt their bottom line, but the big companies operate in so many different markets and I don't think there's any risk of _all_ of them enacting these types of restrictions.