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Summary:

Democrats are becoming increasingly concerned about a possible drop in Black voter turnout for the 2024 presidential election, according to party insiders. The worries arise from a 10% decrease in Black voter turnout in the 2022 midterms compared to 2018, a more substantial decline than any other racial or ethnic group, as per a Washington Post analysis. The decline was particularly significant among younger and male Black voters in crucial states like Georgia, where Democrats aim to mobilize Black voter support for President Biden in 2024.

The Democratic party has acknowledged the need to bolster their outreach efforts to this demographic. W. Mondale Robinson, founder of the Black Male Voter Project, highlighted the need for Democrats to refocus their attention on Black male voters, who have shown lower levels of engagement. In response, Biden's team has pledged to communicate more effectively about the benefits that the Black community has reaped under Biden's administration, according to Cedric L. Richmond, a senior advisor at the Democratic National Committee.

However, Black voter advocates have identified deep-seated issues affecting Black voter turnout. Many Black men reportedly feel detached from the political process and uninspired by both parties' policies. Terrance Woodbury, CEO of HIT Strategies, a polling firm, suggests that the Democratic party's focus on countering Trump and Republican extremism doesn't motivate younger Black men as much as arguments focused on policy benefits. Concerns are growing within the party that if they fail to address these issues, disenchanted Black voters might either abstain or, potentially, be swayed by Republican messaging on certain key issues.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get that we have many problems that aren't really being actively solved, but personally I've been pretty happy with this return-to-status-quo term as compared to the previous non-status-quo term... and right now the narcissistic traitor is leading the nomination polls.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've been pretty happy with status quo have you? Great, love that for you. Sounds like being apathetic to the problems is working out for you specifically. I certainly wouldn't want you to have to think about the enormous numbers of disenfranchised, poor and minority people who overwhelmingly don't turn out to vote because they don't see a real difference in their lives between parties and the dems aren't doing anything to prove to them why they should care. That sounds like it wouldn't be comfortable for you, and that's the top priority here.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You’ve been pretty happy with status quo have you?

I’ve been pretty happy with this return-to-status-quo term as compared to the previous non-status-quo term

Context matters. If you take my words out of context, then you aren't actually addressing what I said, you're addressing a straw man. Or did you intend to imply that you were happier with the previous president?

And this is putting words in my mouth:

Sounds like being apathetic to the problems is working out for you specifically.


But never mind your flawed approach to debate, let's actually take a look at what's been done during Biden's time in office:

The bill's economic-relief provisions are overwhelmingly geared toward low-income and middle-class Americans, who will benefit from (among other provisions) the direct payments, the bill's expansion of low-income tax credits, child-care subsidies, expanded health-insurance access, extension of expanded unemployment benefits, food stamps, and rental assistance programs.

"Historians, economists and engineers interviewed by The Associated Press welcomed Biden's efforts. But they stressed that $1 trillion was not nearly enough to overcome the government's failure for decades to maintain and upgrade the country's infrastructure."

The Inflation Reduction Act is the largest piece of federal legislation ever to address climate change.

Since the May 2020 onshoring of TSMC used by Under Secretary of State Keith J. Krach as a catalyst for the bill and to secure the U.S. semiconductor supply chain, a significant number of companies and a list of ecosystem suppliers have committed or made announcements for investments and jobs in the US.

"Nine months ago, President Joe Biden signed a sweeping bipartisan gun law, the most significant legislative response to gun violence in decades.[...]Several months in, the law has had some success: Stepped-up FBI background checks have blocked gun sales for 119 buyers under the age of 21, prosecutions have increased for unlicensed gun sellers and new gun trafficking penalties have been charged in at least 30 cases around the country. Millions of new dollars have flowed into mental health services for children and schools." [reference]


In fact, Biden's track record is pretty good overall. So every single problem hasn't been solved in 2.5 years, at least there's been progress. And did you forget that Biden inherited the country in a crisis which Trump massively bungled? You're like a poster child for letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I could compile a similar list of their failures if I cared to. This is just a gish gallop.

Here's one: Hillary's campaign directly promoted the extreme far right leading directly to Trump's victory in 2016.

In its self-described "pied piper" strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new "mainstream of the Republican Party" in order to try to increase Clinton's chances of winning.

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

That's not "good", that's "enabling fascism". Absolute clown shit.

If you have to compare them to outright fascists to say they are comparatively "good", that's not a great look, but even then you can't ignore when they do shit like this. You can't hide behind their supposed good intentions either. They nearly threw 2020 by pushing Biden into everyone's faces like a wet fart and saying, "At least it's not a torrent of diarrhea! Vote for the wet fart please!"

I never told anyone not to vote as far left as was practical - which in the US means voting Dem. I am simply pointing out the reality that the most disenfranchised people in the US don't even vote. Not voting isn't a sign of privilege, thinking voting will change anything is a sign of privilege, because it means you're in the increasingly small minority that might see any change from it.

You say I'm letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, but you actively defend mediocrity from any and all criticism because you can't see past the false dichotomy you've been presented with. If I want my kids to leave the park, I don't say, "We're leaving now," I say, "Do you want to leave in 5 minutes or 10?" and they respect the results, even though I invented the entire spectrum of possibility for them. The two party system has done the same thing to you.

It doesn't matter why you're happy with the status quo, what matters is that you are defending the status quo. That makes you functionally conservative. Just because there are other conservatives that are worse by comparison doesn't change that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You might want to consider that millions of people know the kinds of ideas you want put forward and just think those are bad ideas

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You might want to consider that US democracy is functionally an oligarchy and doesn't reflect the will of the people: https://archive.org/details/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It really isn't, and it really does.

You may want to consider that a shitload of Americans believe terrible, terrible things

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

"Trust me bro."

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i doubt it. i bet they think what the cia wants them to think about it, but knowledge is a justified true belief, and my bet is that they believe a lot of things about those ideas that just aren't true.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well that's silly

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago

Some of those accomplishments are worth celebrating, but:

A competent response to COVID-19

lol are you kidding? The only countries on Earth with a competent response to COVID were New Zealand, South Korea, and China.

Supporting domestic manufacturing of semiconductors

This is just tradewar bullshit with China. I work in manufacturing so I'm not against seeing more investment in my sector, but like, this isn't about making good American jobs. It's only about preparing for the inevitable war over Taiwan.