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Are teenage boys in the US becoming more conservative – or more dangerously apathetic?
(www.theguardian.com)
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The idea that some women are responsible for other people's behaviors is a tale as old as time. Feminists are not responsible for the actions of misandrists and TERFs. We are people, with our own thoughts and feelings. Stop holding us accountable for the actions of people that we don't even associate with.
By taking on patriarchy, feminists are advocating for men's issues too because the patriarchy hurts everyone. Issues such as men's mental health, male sexual assault victims, homelessness, lack of paternity leave, are all under the umbrella of feminism. Men who say they are not feminists are acting against their own self interests.
Ever since someone pointed out how similar feminism is to religion, I can't unsee it. You employ the exact same No True Scotsman defenses and demand people only pay attention to your good actions and ignore all your bad ones.
Sorry, I'm not drinking that Kool Aid.
No True Scotsman doesn't really make sense without an effort to define what a Scotsman is in the first place. What feminism are we talking about? Are we so caught up on labeling people as feminists and misandrists that we've stopped talking about underlying ideas or caring about the internal conflicts within that camp?
As someone who's queer as hell, I've seen this play out time and time again - someone who's queer does something terrible, (because we're just people, a mix of good and bad) the media plays up that incident and re-stokes the debate over whether or not we get to exist, then people in my life suddenly look to me as somehow responsible or associated with or benefiting from that person's actions, simply due to the labeled association. Truth is, I only have direct insight into people I'm close to, queer or no. And so when I express my lack of political or personal connection with that person, it's perceived as No True Scotsman, even though the original perceived connection was shaky at best.
As with all groups of people, take feminists as a mixed bag of people with varying ideas, who aren't all responsible for what everyone else thinks. We're all better off expressing ideas one-on-one rather than playing to these tribal labels. I think you are absolutely correct in that some rhetoric employed in service of feminism has alienated a sector of young men, but we can't forget how media paints persecution narratives out of single tweets and snappy hot takes and holds everyone who labels themselves a feminist responsible.
Your kidding me right? Comparing feminism to religion when most religions are anti-feminist is a whole new level of deranged takes that I wouldn't expect to see on Lemmy.
I don't think you understand what the no true Scottsman fallacy is, nor the fact that you are employing it. I am a feminist, aka the Scottsman, and you are attempting to define what I am. What I am and what I support is not defined by you. Think about the relevance of your own experiences first. Consider that you are not a feminist and I am, and why that would make you qualified to define my beliefs (hint: it doesn't).
It sounds like you're giving us the thumbs up to hold you accountable for the rhetoric of the far-right then?
Ever notice how fascism is similar to religion? Just look at the GOP. It's a giant cult