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[–] IrateAnteater 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

OpenSUSE. People don't seem to give it much love, but their system settings application YaST makes command line usage completely avoidable for average users. Even for power users, YaST makes command line usage optional rather than necessary for most tasks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

While this was true 10-15 years ago, nearly all popular distros include graphical configuration tools that are as good or better than Yast these days.

Cli usage on Linux is entirely optional these days on most Linux distributions, but once you learn a bit of cli use you actually realize that it can be a very helpful tool.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone is arguing CLIs aren't useful, pretty sure we all know that. It's not like you see the l33t haxxorz in movies tearing through GUI windows. We're saying we don't want to have to rely on it to do stuff frequently, for one reason or another.

And as far as saying it's optional, I must be a power user, because even on Ubuntu I felt I couldn't do much of anything without opening CLI.

IMO one of Linux' greatest follys is demanding perfection to the point where everyone just tries to make the superior way of doing things, then you end up with a mess of different ways to implement the same things. It's like that joke about coding languages, each one meant to be the final perfect language. Like with installers, on Windows you're generally going to get an exe, an msi, or some compressed file type that you just need to drag files into their location. Linux? I can't even tell you how many different methods I've seen for installing various things, none of which seems to be the "standard". Even compression seems to be way more all over the place, on Windows I only ever really see 7z, zip and rar, but I've seen a dozen different compression types for Linux files. That's incredibly confusing for dumb people like me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wdym? Installing things on Linux is much simpler. There is exactly one preferred way: the application repository from the distribution with a nice GUI interface for it. File types of archives play no role in that and why would that even be relevant?

Windows only recently got something similar with the Microsoft store, and before is was a super confusing mess of lots of different types of installers and generally a huge security issue to run .exe files from unstrusted random internet downloads.

Your explanation sounds more like you are trying to use Linux like it was Windows XP. But Linux is not Windows... you are holding it wrong 😅

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My most recent experience being Ubuntu, this feels like a joke. Have you used the Ubuntu store? And the suggestion that the Microsoft store is in any way good makes me question your entire comment, it's absolute trash on top of garbage. This feels like a joke comment to me. Executables are a huge security risk for you? 🤣

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, the Windows store is crap, but it is still miles ahead of running random .exe installers.

And the Ubuntu store is like the worst possible example you could find 😱

Just any normal distribution repository from for example Debian or Fedora works great. And Gnome and KDE have very easy to use GUI interfaces for these and ideally Flathub is also integrated. Super easy and seamless, no joke at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

We'll have to agree to disagree on executables, I love them, would choose them every time over any app from the store, in fact I have zero apps from the store. I tried other stores on Ubuntu but they weren't really better, just their own limited collections, I still ended up having to hunt down stuff and even use CLI.