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Self-cherishing attitude is the cause of all our problems not just global collapse.
Industrial scale cattle farming is a must to support the current demand and it exists because we can't care enough to renounce the pleasure of eating meat. It is always me, me and me. And the problem is always because the other, the other and the other.
Of course we can sustain a lot of more of people, but not with our mindset.
Right, so then don't reduce population, but consumption. Blaming people will lead to the worst outcomes. Who are the ones who should stop existing? Can't you see how that way of thinking is promoting fascism, genocide?
You can’t stop existing if you never existed. It’s not promoting genocide. It’s promoting not reproducing when there’s already plenty.
In a roundabout way, that’s a part of lower consumption. Everyone is a consumer. And more babies = more consumers = more consumption. It’s a conscious choice people make that increases consumption.
Don’t kill the cows that already exist. Stop killing them, and stop breeding them. Sustain the ones who are already here, and stop making more than we can easily sustain.
But how do we reduce consumption? I believe that for whatever mess we are in we have to start by blaming ourselves, not just our personal problems. Blaming the other won't change anything. I blamed myself of all the world problems and I reduced my consumption to aprox a 90%, I started to use my car only when really needed, started to buy locally, cancelled all my shit and even went vegan, and I feel that I still could do better, sorry for the "holier than thou", I'm trying to give an example.
I don't really know how you got that my conclusion was to make someone stop existing. For a start you can't make stop existing something it doesn't exist yet. I also don't believe we should literally stop having children, but be more mindful of what we do, and that our mindset is the problem. The "I want this, I want that". But my other point was, do we really need more population when we do not have our shit together? We don't even understand what the problem is. We will consume to our extinction while blaming the other.