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Yeah, pay more. To a reputable company, that isn't a Chinese substitution, counterfeit or replacement product with a made up name. Computer products containing firmware that doesn't immediately capture your data and send it to a 3rd party without your consent. Extra business in a circular economy like this increases resale value and the uptick in business allows more local options to open, generating competition and lowering prices, whilst increasing the number jobs in logisitics, transport and retail. Or did you not realise that Amazon was the reason that the same set of headphones was €50 more in the store than through them?
Nothing about this makes it a circular economy. The e-trash you buy locally is likely the same you get online and it's going to end up in the same landfill. The only difference is you paying double or even more because, one, the local store up-charges you for the convenience of getting the product immediately, and two, all the added cost of having physical locations, extra wages, storage, insurance, etc. none of which will magically go down with "increased competition". They already are under heavy pressure from online stores, that's why so many physical stores closed down in the last two decades in the first place, if they could lower prices without going out of business, they'd have done it already.
No, it does step towards a circular European Economy. If you actually read into the proposed legislature instead of just assuming what it says based on the headline you would see that. Point two the added requirements of staff and logistics = things are more exponentially more expensive is a false dichotomy perpetuated by American corporate interest in order to demoralise and discourage competition, thus increasing their market share and their stranglehold on retail as a whole. Point three, you emphasise that the store upcharges you for convenience and then change the argument to be in order to pay people a fair wage. A wage which amazon does not. Notice how you subconsciously demonise the intention of the local retailer? Even though amazon is literally the reason for the accelerated global warming. I would argue the increase in price is directly caused by the decrease in traffic created by amazon and global online retail as a whole. I would further add to the point that reputable companies line Sony, or Bosch. Still charge as much, if not more to sell through amazon. Many producers of high quality electronics just do not use amazon anymore, because their return policy has always been detrimental to producers of quality goods, immediately taking the proceeds of the sale from the store with no evidence to support the customer claims and making it prohibitively costly to do business on the platform and make products that are not complete garbage.
Counterargument, removing the "cheap alternative" will 1) Drive additional traffic to stores, allowing people to shop locally again and re level the playing field in terms of competitive pricing. 2) Allow more retail businesses to open up and meet newly available niche requirements created by the absence of these retailers. 3) Create a whole new argument for the increase of income to a liveable minimum wage, benefiting literally everybody but the 1% We have been conditioned go think that things are the way they are and they can't change. It is complete nonsense, it is a lie perpetuate by the middle class, who are owned by our corporate masters. We do not need these, we do not need their products and we can all achieve an improved level of personal wealth through the removal of them and their monopolistic hoarding of capital through tax evasion and political corruption. Google's parent company Alphabet, valued at over a trillion Dollars, Amazon valued at 2.4 trillion, Apple at 3.6 Trillion. 2781 inidividauls with a combined networth of over 3.6 trillion dollars between them. The entire global gdp is 13.6 Trillion dollars. Norway's entire store of wealth, largest in Europe, sits at 1.6 Trillion euro. With all due respect my friend, stop looking at this so myopically as to look at your comfort in existing as another person's slave and wake up to where all the wealth has gone. We have all been lied to.
There is no reason for local stores to be more capable of this than online stores.
Nobody talks about "exponential", but the simple reality is that it's more expensive due to more staff, more redundancy, more overhead, all of it costs money, there's no way around it.
I never mentioned fair wages, what are you talking about? Local stores have to pay more people for the same volume, massive centralized warehouses are just more efficient.
I do no such thing, your comment is the one dripping with moralizing. I have no problem with local retailers, for a lot of products they are great, especially for the kind that are bigger purchases where people consider them longer or when you might want personal consultation. I have a local whisky store that's absolutely great, great service, great recommendations, they let you taste the product before you buy, you pay like 30% - 40% more, but it's worth it. What I was specifically reffering to were impulse purchases like the thermal paste like the above commenter mentioned, or headphones, charging cables, extension cords and such, where people go to local stores because they want it immediately. You're upcharged like hell on those things, often double the price or even more than for the same product online, borderline rip-offs.
Well, you'd be wrong. How do you think product arrives at a local store, do you think it's by brought by a stork? Then in addition to that, people drive into town with their inefficient cars, how in the world is that better for the environment than to have it get delivered straight to your home?
There already is heavy competition, how do you not get this? There's no magic competition barrier between online and local. That's why so many local stores folded, they were outcompeted. There is no reason to believe local prices would drop if online disappeared, if anything, they would increase because they have inherently, due to geography, less competition.
I don't see how that is an inherent good. Just more moralizing.
What's the argument, man? There is no argument for why we can't force higher wages among warehouse workers and delivery drivers. None.