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while your argument is articulated well and persuasive, you’ve failed to convince me.
Civil rights are, by definition, a political struggle. Both words mean politics. What you mean by 'that's not politics' is that we should take for granted that every decent person agrees on this sort of thing, but-- were you paying attention in school? The majority of people were cool with siccing dogs on folks who wanted civil rights. Half the black-and-white photographs you've ever seen were surely about the explicitly political fight for civil rights.
Politics includes recognizing that a lot of people are just bastards.
that not what i mean… so i don’t know why you went on arguing with what you assumed i meant.
politics determine governance which is involved in civil rights, yes… but that doesn’t make it politics.
for example, the environment is heavily affected by governments but the environment isn’t politics.
civil and human rights exist without government, and the rights exist whether or not your government cares about it or not.
or, to the extreme, the holocaust was carried out by apparatuses of nazi germany, but the holocaust wasn’t political… it was something else…. and that’s why we have the Hague
How the fuck do you define "politics?" You seem to think it's only the boring parts of governance, but not anywhere consequential, problematic, philosophical, or horrifying.
Which civil rights are real is fucking obviously a matter of politics. Guns, for example, are not on-par with free speech in most of the world. Free speech in most of the world isn't even on-par with free speech in America. How the hell would you classify the discussion of how those things shake out, if not as political debate?