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Former Presidents Clinton, Obama, Biden and George W. Bush have barely uttered a word about President Trump’s actions a month into his second term, to the dismay of Democratic critics who say their voices are badly needed.

Those calling out for the ex-presidents to speak say Trump’s actions and the potential for him to bypass court orders should be red flags to the former occupants of the Oval Office.

“No one knows more about the importance of our presidents respecting separation of powers and showing restraint than former presidents,” Democratic strategist Joel Payne said. “Given Trump’s ongoing power grab, those voices and perspectives of our ex-presidents would be critical to the public discourse at this moment.”

“I don’t know what they’re waiting for,” one former senior aide to Obama said. “The time isn’t when Trump ignores court rulings. The time is now.”

Trump’s first month in office has been a whirlwind of activity in which he has sought to dramatically reduce the federal workforce while giving the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), led by Elon Musk, access to sensitive government payment systems. He has also sought to change birthright citizenship and dramatically curb federal spending.

Clinton, Biden and Obama repeatedly warned of the risks to the nation if Trump was reelected.

Biden — who said he decided to run for office in 2020 because democracy was on the line — warned days before he left office about the threat a second Trump administration posed.

In Biden’s farewell address, just days before Trump entered office again, Biden warned of an oligarchy “taking shape in America of extreme wealth, power, and influence that literally threatens our entire democracy, our basic rights and freedoms, and a fair shot for everyone to get ahead.” He vowed to stay ‘engaged.’

Since leaving office in 2017 and passing the baton to Trump, Obama has also frequently spoken up about democracy.

In December, a month after the 2024 election, Obama renewed a call for pluralism — finding a way to live alongside individuals and groups who are different — and spoke about what’s at stake without invoking Trump’s name.

“Because the alternative is what we’ve seen here in the United States and in many democracies around the globe,” Obama said at his annual forum on the topic. “Not just more gridlock and just public cynicism, but an increasing willingness on the part of politicians and their followers to violate democratic norms, to do anything they can to get their way, to use the power of the state to target critics and journalists and political rivals, and to even resort to violence in order to gain and hold onto power.

“We’ve seen that movie a lot,” he said, adding that he wasn’t “going to pretend that there are easy answers.”

Since Jan. 20, however, the former presidents have mostly been quiet.

When Trump announced earlier this month that he was shuttering the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), Obama did take to the social platform X to make his voice heard, linking to an opinion piece in The New York Times.

“USAID has been fighting disease, feeding children, and promoting goodwill around the world for six decades,” Obama wrote in the post. “As this article makes clear, dismantling this agency would be a profound foreign policy mistake.”

“Congress should resist,” Obama added.

Still, the other former presidents have refrained from weighing in on any of Trump’s actions.

Some say Bush would have the most powerful voice as a Republican, but he has made it a point over the years never to “step on” the current president, as one former Bush aide put it.

“It’s out of respect to the office,” the former Bush aide said. “It’s just not his style.”

Generally speaking, ex-presidents are loathe to publicly criticize the actions of their successors, at least outside election season. Trump, in his four years out of office, was a notable exception.

In that vein, Democratic strategist Lynda Tran said “in the age of Trump, it’s more important than ever that we respect and adhere to long-standing traditions” to not debate with the current leader of the country.

“We should have faith in the other branches of government — and the advocacy and justice movements — to take action to push back where appropriate.”

Susan Del Percio, a veteran Republican strategist who does not support Trump, said it’s a fruitless effort for the former presidents to speak out against him.

“They can’t, and they know it,” Del Percio said. “If they lend their voices to the conversation, they’ll just be taken down by Trump. If they speak out, it’ll be for the history books, not to affect the Trump presidency now.”

“No one can influence Trump right now, because he doesn’t care what anyone thinks,” Del Percio continued. “It seems to me, given his actions, he acts as if he knows best.”

“There’s no influencing,” she added. “These presidents know that; if anything, they understand better than anybody the power of the presidency.”

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As ever, the enemies aren’t our more deluded fellow poors, or the well bribed middle managers in Congress.

That uh, that all depends. When they become brownshirts for this fucking clown turd they are our enemies. When they start inflicting violence upon innocent people they certainly are our enemies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I mean sure. But you aren't solving anything fighting them. They're literally the Canon fodder of the enemy. They were made, poor stupid gullible emotional bastards, to keep you busy fighting them so you never get to those who made them. That's the point. Poors fighting poors is so much easier than ankle chains and whips, more insideous than overt Jim Crowesque dictates. Trick the slaves into keeping one another down.

The head of the beast, and that is easily identifiable by net worth as I mentioned, cares exactly as much about those brown shirts lives and manufactured hatreds as you do if you have to end them: not at all.

Their skinhead army is literally cultivated by for profit media propaganda and there to absorb the bullets meant for the capitalists. Until you're aiming for the true enemy, you're playing their game.

Those capitalists wouldn't let those skinheads eat their purebread dog's organic dog food if they were dying of hunger. Unlike their useful idiots they feed hate, capitalists are only emotional about the person they love, themselves, beyond themselves, they're reptilian sociopaths. Unlike the loud brownshirts, our real enemy doesn't care about any of our lives enough to hate us. We're just capital batteries to be used up and tossed out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I understand there's a hierarchy and all, but the henchmen aren't off the hook is my point.