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I’m an anarchist dumbass I can just see the reality. Yous are as gone as maga. Victims of propaganda and acting against your own (and the palestines interests).
You aren’t anti-genocide. As we told you before the election, your outcome of your stance is pro genocide. And now the Palestinians have to pay the price for your stupidity.
By your logic if the democrats had won and the genocide had continued (which it absolutely would have) then you’d be pro genocide for voting democrat.
No that is your logic. You'd be pro-supporting-the-lesser-genocide. There's no lesser option that is available beyond your choice. There is for someone who abstained, so their position actively supported exacerbating the genocide.
There are options that aren’t just voting you lazy ass coward.
Brother I have done plenty.
And they aren't mutually exclusive. You should be doing the other things AND voting for whatever party is most aligned with your views that has a chance of winning.
Voter apathy does not come from the left and you guys have to start realizing that and refocus your energy.
Okay so here’s the biggest issue I take with liberals about this. There are countless studies that show that leftists do strategic voting. I do it myself. But leftists bringing up that it’s bullshit and we aren’t happy about it is what liberals choose to blame lost elections on.
I am a leftist, not a liberal. IDK what the liberals are doing or why you're telling me. I'm pretty sure they stole the election - but the narratives equating Trump/Kamala on Palstine certainly contributed to lower-turnout and apathy.
Im telling you because no matter what you claim to be you’re acting like a liberal.
What a daft thing to say. Shove your shill gambit up your arse ya troglodyte and grow a spine.
“Grow a spine and vote Democrat” hahaha shut up forever.
That’s a depressingly binary outlook for an anarchist.
Are you sure you’re an anarchist? Because thinking that there was either the choice to vote for one party or “you’re brainwashed” just doesn’t exactly scream anarchist to me.
You’re overlooking my entire point to make a binary, deterministic point about only one decision being right in this scenario. You’re an anarchist telling people that f they didn’t vote for a political party complicit in a genocide, that they’re just as bad as the genocidal forces? There is legitimately no sense to be found in this.
I’m more of a Chomsky-esque anarchist myself when it comes to voting. And even I don’t see how you could make this claim. Under normal circumstances, I would be with you between trump and Kamala. But there is a fucking genocide happening, in the US’s pocket, and there were two pro genocide candidates on the ticket. Faulting the people against the genocide for the scenario being our reality, and not the people who wouldn’t break with the idea that the genocide was something to support? You’re not an anarchist, you’re a bootlicker.
You’re throwing the people who couldn’t stomach the fact that a genocide would’ve been done in their name had your candidate won under the bus? Not those who wouldn’t listen to the millions of people telling them they’re wrong and blindly kept supporting the slaughter? With historians and the world community and the activists screaming that we are witnessing a Nazi-esque ethnic cleansing, you’re not faulting the politicians who only see the opportunity for influence and government contracts?
You’re faulting…activists and peacemongers. For not voting for your candidate?
I just want to be sure I’m understanding your position here.
Don’t come at me with some binary explanation that “well the other side is worse,” I want you to do your best to shed that two party mentality to think about this in the larger picture, and then reaffirm your point for me, here.
I appreciate what you’re trying to do but you’re dealing with Americans who are also trying to argue in bad faith. It’s not worth your energy.
I'm Scottish not American.
And bad faith how, this guy has based his identity around Chomsky who agrees with what I'm saying. He is arguing in bad faith 'Are you sure you’re an anarchist?' lol
Neo-proudhonian mutualist with a dash of agorist praxis via non-violent counter-economic (r)evolution.
Changing the system by voting is not possible. The best we can do is pick the one closest aligned with our values, that will allow us to effectively organise (vs Trump turning the military on protestors/leftists), buy the Palestinians some time (vs literal cheering for ethnic clensing).
They're statists and authoritarians—I don’t expect them to listen to reason, and I can’t change that. My criticism is directed at those who actively pushed for a worsening of the genocide by enabling that screwball to take power, rather than supporting actual anti-genocide leftists who understand that, flawed as it is, liberalism is still preferable to outright fascism. You should know better. Instead, you keep shifting between shill gambit, baseless accusations and bad-faith comparisons.
Chomsky also acknowledged pragmatic short-term engagement with existing structures (e.g., voting for the lesser evil) while aiming for long-term abolition of oppressive institutions, FYI.
In the 2016 and 2020 U.S. elections, he argued that it was morally imperative to vote for the Democratic candidate because the alternative would be worse for marginalized communities, climate policy, and global stability.
https://chomsky.info/an-eight-point-brief-for-lev-lesser-evil-voting