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I unblocked.world temporarily for you, searched “tankie,” and sorted by all time.
Second post is someone equivocating not supporting biden with being a tankie.
So is all time top post number 10 and 12
16 is a a highly selective (lots of … to piece it together) mlk quote with a title that seems to imply tankies don’t want a change in the system???
So 4/20 (20% also hehe blaze it) of the all time top posts mentioning “tankie” in the title seem to misuse it. I do think it was more common during election season but that may be because I filtered out .world posts awhile back. Come to think of it my post search count above may be off because I have some words and users blocked, but that would likely make it an underestimate not an over-estimate.
I did my own search to confirm, with no limitation to a single instance, since I don't exclusively digest lemmy.world. I sorted by hot on the voyager app. I've included links for posterity and to avoid this being a they-said-they-said situation.
The majority of comments about tankies appear to come from lemmy.blahaj.zone and sh.itjust.works. all of these are used in a traditional sense. In fact, a good portion of the comments are actually different summarizations of the traditional definition.
The first ~~post~~ comment I see from lemmy.world mentioning `tankie' is from @OmegaLemmy 7 hours ago on lemmyshitpost, who is calling out another user who chose to partake in whataboutism rather than acknowledge the USSR's homophobia. This accused user then doubles down and shoots back with "I don't really care. I think the USSR had a lot of unique positive things".
The ~~post~~ comment you mention equivocating being left of Biden as being a tankie; I think I found, pleas confirm for me. That one is from @Octagon9561 11 hours ago on a post in [email protected]. Octagon9561 seems to be claiming to be a victim of anticommunism, or a "red scare" in the comments. a different user essentially says "no, you are just disgusting". Then we see Octogan9561 state the comment, pairing it with an /s. This reads like a standard tankie again muddying the waters and claiming that people are just throwing the term around willy nilly, which, again, the majority of comments that search has brought up are traditional use.
I also opened search on firefox lemmy.world. here are the first ~~posts~~ comments shown, yours and mine minimized, sorted by new:
screenshot of lemmy.world when searching for comments with 'tankie' in them
I'll post this comment now but I'm gonna continue scrolling through search looking for any cases of misuse. I am still seeing that if misuse is happening, it's rare enough to not hit my feed, and much more rare than individuals claiming people are misusing the term.
Edit 6: noticed I was saying 'posts' during initial comment when I was really searching comments initially. Corrected, and fixed a typo.
EDIT: Alright, now I've switched to sort by local new only an lemmy.world, and here are the first 10 links in order:
[email protected]
I am really not seeing your claim holding water currently.
EDIT 2: I searched top of all time for all instances, via lemmy.world again, here's the screenshot:
screenshot of all time top n lemmy.world
again, this claim is not showing up on lemmy.world. The most recent comment is 2 months ago, and the oldest is from 2 years ago, and having scrolled through all of it, none of these use the term 'tankie' nontraditionally. Only a couple could prove otherwise in context, which I am still determining whether they do or do not.
EDIT 3: both comments which were ambiguous about whether they were using tankie traditionally showed that they were in fact using tankie traditionally. not a single comment in the first page all time top on lemmy.world currently has a case of tankie being misused.
EDIT 4: I just did that same search directly on slrpnk.net to see whether the difference in instances was causing a difference in comments - the first page of results are nearly identical:
slrpnk.net search results
You are going to need to actually bring receipts at this point if you want me to believe that there was a widespread issue with people misusing the term 'tankie' at some point. EDIT 5: I've gone over to posts now and searched all time to find the second, 10th, 12th, and 16th post you mentioned. Here is a screenshot of those results
slrpnk.net post search results
Your reading of the second post seems disingenuous to me. No one actually wanted Biden, but it was an obvious fact that every front of leftist activism would be cracked down on by Trump, so having Biden in office would have at least meant little to no increased difficulty. That is why many leftists still insisted on voting for Biden. It was also a common conspiracy that tankies were pedalling the 'genocide joe' narrative explicitly to try and get Trump into office in order to weaken the US, hence the title.
This exact same sentiment is again presented in the 10th post.
The 12th post is not necessarily about the election at all, but instead is strictly an attack on LGBT+ tankies, since tankies were very active during the election cycle. The post is most likely referencing the fact that Stalin walked back rights for homosexuals in 1933. Tankies still often espouse Stalinist apologia, and seemingly want a revolution which would create a Stalinist/ML regime in the US. The post is pointing out the irony of LGBT+ tankies advocating for an authoritarian state that they would very likely be persecuted in.
the 16th post is a truncated quote of MLK, though not that truncated. here is the unabridged quote with context. Overall I agree here: the use of tankie is likely misused here, though again it's not really attacking leftists, since the message is leftist itself. The only way I can see it making sense with traditional meaning is if the implication is that the authoritarianism in the USSR, Russia, China, and NK created an elite which immense wealth while the rest of the population lived in squalor - I think that is a stretch overall.
Thank you for your hard work!
It's so important to fight this kind of thing and you did it so thoroughly. I'm grateful.
You deserve a medal for time and effort invested in debunking tankie claims lol
Hmm I was sorting by top>all time (on voyager as well) and I don’t think the post you mentioned is the same one. Hopefully that means the mis-use is decreasing since the election/pre-election days but it was quite prevalent at one point.