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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (14 children)

If the goal of society is to put equality above all else then i take your point.

I think horizontal hierarchies are generally better in an organization in terms of motivating people to contribute and give them a sense of equity.

But idk how you avoid the fact that people do have bad ideas, or well intentioned ideas that could start a cascade of delays in project planning for example. People focusing on the excellence at different levels of work is important right? But having a chain of command to maintain vision, timelines, budgets, stakeholders seems to depend on hierarchy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

They seem to depend on hierarchies but there are decision making processes that do not depend on hierarchies even tho they might resemble them on first glance. You can have a council that makes decisions on a consensual basis, sends revocable delegates to upper level councils. This might seem like representatives as in modern parliaments but the revocable part is important. If they can be called back at any point and the position is temporal from the start, this changes everything. Also decisions should be on the lowest possible level and everything must be voluntary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Idk how that applies to every organization. It sounds pretty specific.

Because were talking about getting rid of all hierarchies right?

And if decisions are at rhe lowest possible levels then it seems like thats a hierarchy, which is more horizontal rather than not being a hierarchy.

Also i dont understand what "everything being voluntary" means and if that applies to all organizations or just government or what.

And i dont know what you meam by "the position" or "temporal" or "at the start" and that it "changes everything".

[–] agamemnonymous 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As far as I can tell, the anarchic perspective defines hierarchies as inherently compulsive. The claim is that organization that otherwise resembles a "hierarchy" is fine so long as it's voluntary. You can still have people who are good at coordination in "charge" of coordinating things, with the caveat that that "authority" can be rejected at any time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Titles for employees, and formal positions are natural because people tend to specialize but i can agree it would be maybe nicer to have more diverse job responsibilities.

But like if a company knows it has to hire 50 IT workers to meet a deadline it wouldnt hire them and hope they decide to fulfill the requirements of the job. They would lock them into a specialty so they can deploy them strategically. I just dont see it as evil or wrong to have hierarchy but i can appreciate progressive workplace environments if they work

[–] agamemnonymous 1 points 1 month ago

Oh personally I think that kind of strict anti-hierarchical position is too idealistic. I don't think the people who propose that kind of extreme decentralization have ever tried to organize a functional endeavor composed of more than a dozen people. I'd like to believe a totally voluntary, spontaneously organized society could work, but I've coordinated too many projects to really believe it.

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