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When the options are "capitalist party that will kill more people" and "capitalist party that will kill fewer people," the answer is obvious
You could not vote, or you could vote third party, but when 97% of the country agrees that one of these two capitalists is gonna win, you have to try and make sure that the less evil one does
You sold your soul to vote for a genocide and you didn't even win. You are not less evil. Doesn't matter who you're comparing yourself to.
After all the Palestinians are wiped out, I hope you rest easy knowing you didn't even try to save some of them
The dnc as a party weren't interested in saving any of them. They're still in 100% genocide denial. Their own party denied ceasefires.
You hope the Palestinians are wiped out so you can be smug about it.
You hope Donald Trump gets a third term to stick it to the Dems.
It's fun making shit up about other people
You tried to save them by supporting the person exterminating them?
If you're being sincere right now, you're the biggest fucking fool on the planet.
I don't think you're being sincere. I have your actions to judge you by. I think you're a nazi.
This comment thread was a massive waste of time. I'll sum it up: AntiOutsideAktion believes that trying to mitigate harm makes one complicit in it, and I think that calling people nazis for trying to mitigate harm is stupid. I offered paragraphs and paragraphs of reasoning for my position, and AntiOutsideAktion offered literally nothing
What actions are you judging me by? The only thing I've done is vote for Harris.
A third party was never going to win 2024, and there is no number of absurd accusations you can throw out on the world's most obscure social network to change that. The average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats. I would love for a third party to be a realistic option, but when polling indicates they'll account for approximately 1% of the vote, I'm going to act accordingly. When you got to the polling place, you had to think of the possible outcomes of your vote. You knew that a third party would not win. If you voted for one, you have done the same thing as not vote at all, because again, the average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats. The choice was between Trump and Harris, and you decided that you'd rather let Trump win than vote for Harris.
I know you communists hate the trolley problem, but it really is analogous here. You're sitting there drawing a new track with crayons and pretending to try and save all the people tied to the tracks, while the grownups are trying to pull the lever to actually reduce the amount of harm done. Then you call us fucking nazis for not playing make-believe alongside you.
I don't think you're sincere. I think you're lashing out because over the last few months, you've seen just how bad a Trump presidency is going to be, and you want desperately to believe that Harris would have been just as bad.
Right. You're a nazi. You explicitly and materially support a genocide. You're fucking scum.
Can you explain how trying to prevent an ongoing genocide from expanding makes me a nazi? Can you expound on how a vote is the same thing as explicit and material support for the worst aspects of a politician? Can you acknowledge that the average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats, and so the only possible winners of this election were Trump or Harris? Can you acknowledge that my position, that one should cast their vote in a way that is most likely to do the least harm, is valid?
Can you offer any actual rebuttals if you disagree with me?
Of course, you can't. I'm pretty sure you're a literal bot, trained to just call people nazis. I hope you're not a real person, because it must be a sad existence if you are
Acting like words have no meaning and that they are simply your playthings that your opponent must take seriously is classic nazi shit. You voted for limitless unconditional support for genocide. That's what your candidate stood for. That's what your party did. Anything else out of your mouth is a fucking lie.
Can you expound on how a vote is the same thing as explicit and material support for the worst aspects of a politician?
Going to just post every individual question from that comment as its own reply, since this LLM only responds to the first sentence of a reply
Dehumanizing anyone who disagrees with you is also extremely on the nose nazi shit.
Spoiled fucking brat. Acting like I owe you a response to every gish gallop downstream of your first premise that was a fucking lie? You're just fucking dumb.
Then act like a fucking human and respond to my questions instead of calling me a nazi and ignoring 99% of what I say. You have yet to acknowledge my entire point, that the average American likes the Democrats or the Republicans, and so one of those two parties was necessarily going to win.
Can you integrate that concept into your mind, so you can understand why I would vote for the one of those two possibilities that's less bad?
The fucking genocide supporter wants me to act like a human.
Just saw your edit on a prior comment.
Lmao this dude whose only response is "YOU'RE A NAZI YOU'RE A NAZI NANANANANANA" is calling me a spoiled fucking brat
Motherfucker, you engaged me in conversation. If you don't want to have a conversation, don't reply to my comments. If you don't want people asking you to back up your claims that someone is lying, don't claim that someone is lying
Really outing yourself as a profoundly stupid person by trying to copy the format of my criticism of you but trying to shoehorn it in a way that doesn't work. I'm a spoiled brat because I consistently call you the same thing? In contrast to your entitlement that I engage you on your terms in your neckbeard rant that crescendos with a declaration of verbal victory? Honest to god fucking moron, you are.
Like every dumb fucking nazi you want to deflect the title with "You call everyone a nazi" even after the criteria was clearly laid out and met: you support a genocide. You are a nazi.
Fuck you. Follow your leader.
Your party wouldn't even acknowledge that a genocide was occurring.
Lesser evil is bullshit that liberals tell themselves because they know what they support is evil. There is no lesser evil.
And by all measures the party that you're saying is killing lesser people helped kill an absolute shit ton of Palestinians the last 2 years.
I really don't care if some communist thinks I support genocide. I don't, but go ahead and think that I do. But are you really gonna condemn me for trying to save some lives? I could have bitched and moaned and joined the 3% who voted third party or the 40% who didn't vote at all, but I'm not so naive as to think that would help anything
Edit: I decided there was a better way to respond to the comment, and my edit went through after they replied. My original comment read
If you voted for people that was funding and condoning genocide, you also condone that genocide.
If you see an ongoing genocide, and decide that you would rather see it get worse than try to mitigate it, you also condone that genocide. The difference between us is that I want fewer people dead, and you apparently want more
I wanted none, which is why I was not willing to support the ones that was actively allowing them to get killed. Democrats were terrified of what Trump *might *do while having their head up their ass with what their party was actually doing.
I wanted none too, but we both know that wasn't an option. The choice was between more or less, and you thought "eh, we can't have none, so either works for me." You may pretend to have very strong feelings about it, but unless you're planning on doing something really based within the next couple days, strong feelings are indistinguishable from apathy.
Again I ask the question I've asked so many times since november: do you actually think the Palestinian people will fare better under Trump than they would have under Harris?
That question is pure speculation. What we do know is Harris saw them as acceptable deaths to achieve whatever end game Netanyahu wanted.
If we can't speculate as to how a presidency will go, then I guess you have no problem with trump voters. After all, any questions about his presidency are, at present, pure speculation. For all we know, he could institute full blown communism day one!
Get real. You know Trump is worse for Palestine, and you're desperate to convince yourself that you did anything to help.
And I bet you thought you did good by voting for a Democrat that is committing genocide while denying that it's actually occurring
Damn sight better than if I'd not voted at all. I've already explained to you that the only options were less death and more death, and unlike you, I think more death is worse
And I'm sure the families of the dead that you determine are acceptable find great peace in your decision
For the record, I don't find any death acceptable. That's why I tried to mitigate it as much as possible. You apparently do find more death acceptable, or else you would have voted
You saw the trolley careening towards the 5 people, and instead of pulling the lever to make it hit the 1, you said "I don't think anyone should be run over by trolleys." Like yeah, I agree, but that trolley is still gonna run a bunch of people over, so maybe pull the lever anyway
Liberals and their dumbass trolley problem. What liberals don't acknowledge is their own party along with Republicans and capitalism have placed those marginalized people on those tracks. They're those of us that are simply trying to derail the trolley itself and we keep getting punched at by democrats insisting that those marginalized have to stay on the tracks and that the trolley has to keep moving forward. You can't have both. You could either have human rights and people live or you can have capitalism, Democrats want to defend both
First off, not my party. I don't know how many more ways there are to say the phrase "voting for someone is not a show of support for them and all of their views."
You don't like the trolley problem because it's a very good analogy for the present situation. There were exactly two options, and if you chose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
I also want to "derail the trolley." I want a third party to win. But on the first Tuesday of November, it's too late to build any new tracks. It's too late to make a third party viable. If you know that third party isn't going to win, then continuing to try to build that third track even as the trolley careens past the fork is tacit approval of whatever track it went down. Reach over and pull the damn lever, then get back to building the track.
The analogy kind of breaks down when you consider that Donald Trump plans on making it literally impossible for Democrats to win, let alone third parties. Again, unless you plan on doing something incredibly based very soon, you can kiss your third track goodbye. Trump owns the White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court. You think he's gonna let Stein take the W in 2028?
Maybe not, but then again, today is the wrong day to be pushing that line lol.