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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

You could look at infomaniak, but I didn't have the best experience trying out (or even getting started with) their services. Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be tough (or at least it was from me while I was looking to escape from Tuta). Good luck, tho.

EDIT: Infomaniak is on F-Droid!

[–] zqps 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Escape from Tuta for what reason if you're willing to share? I see it recommended a lot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

Oh boy, getting old here, let's see if I can remember.

I think in part it was because they seemed unable to fix the Linux desktop client after months and months and months, and repeated support requests. Also, I had been a user of theirs for some time when they changed how their plans worked, and moved a feature I relied heavily upon (I think it was email templates—something you might never need!) to a much more expensive plan. Felt like I was being charged more for being a longtime user. I don't know if they have cloud storage now, but at the time they didn't, and Proton had that, along of course with mail and calendar—all of that for less than what Tuta was offering which was mail, calendar, and plenty of other features that were continuously promised but never released. So really just a bunch of little things that were important to me, but which other users might never miss.

[–] zqps 2 points 3 minutes ago

Thanks for the writeup. It helps to know where to look to make an informed decision, when I finally have the time to sit down and de-google.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be toug

Nobody should be using any provider as one stop shop... That's how we got cooked by Google and Apple the first time folks.

Unbundle, mix and match...

Yeah it auck Proton did this but if you only got one proton service, it is eaiser to either do nothing or switch it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I agree! I don't use Proton's VPN or their password manager for that reason. The equivalents I had in place already were fine and I didn't feel the need to switch over everything, just some things.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I feel like I should pre-emptively switch to Keepass incase Bitwarden goes right wing.

I mean, Keepass is free open source software so the political views of the developers don't matter as much.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

I mean, Keepass is free open source software so the political views of the developers don't matter as much.

So is bitwarden, you don't have to use their servers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

+1 for keepass. Been using it for years and love it.