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My treats are not propaganda! (vegantheoryclub.org)

submitted 4 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To the extent that it has been exposed, yes, it is now publicly known, and to the extent that it hasn’t been, it’s not.

I pointed you to some of the seminal and most often cited works on the theory and practice and history of propaganda. Instead of telling us that you question the very validity of the term “propaganda” out of ignorance, how about engaging with the literature, or the Wikipedia entries about the literature, or the YouTube explainers about the literature?

[–] JohnDClay 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm trying to nail down what propaganda is so we can talk about it. It's not much use taking about it if we mean different things.

I'd define propaganda as misconstruing the truth towards political ends. If it's commercial ends rather than political, it's false advertising. If it's not misconstruing, then it's advertising or public communications. Just to set a baseline.

I can't find what your sources are defining as propaganda from a brief look, so let's compare to my definition.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You define it wrong. Propaganda is the same thing as public relations. Public relations is literally the American name for it per Bernays who coined both terms. He believed propaganda is a good thing but the term became loaded so he renamed it in a classic public relations style.

[–] JohnDClay 2 points 3 days ago

Okay cool, so your definition of propaganda is any communication for political ends?