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There is an economic rule about this
Basically what it says is that new developments - like electricity, cars, computers - cause a temporary increase in demand for labor - and therefore higher wages.
As the technology becomes routine, optimization and automation remove the need for labor - demand for labor decreases and by the rule of the market wages go down.
This development is natural and has nothing to do with who's currently president, policies or anything like that. To quote from the link above:
The only thing that guarantees that the population in the US can continue to live in the long-term is Universal Basic Income - which says that the state should distribute resources among the population even if the people don't work. Basically a form of state-backed social welfare. Without it, the issue will continue to get worse, until people will die on the streets by hunger and cold in masses. UBI is a necessity for the person and for peace.
We have UBI in my country.
600-1300€ (depending number of children) as of this year. Over that you have to add up another series of subsidies. Most important one probably rent one that halves the cost of renting a house (the government takes care of about 50% of your rent if your income is bellow some threshold)
For reference minimum wage is 1134€
Most common salary is around 1200€
And healthcare is obviously free at the point of service.
But life is not as golden as you may thing. I used to be hardcore defendant of UBI until it became a reality. Now I'm not really into that. I think is faulty and actually bad for society. Many people are starting to have a feeling that breaking their asses 40 hours a week for getting the exactly same level of life quality that someone that does not work at all is just unfair. And tensions are on the rise. And I see a bad ending for it, it's like a ticking bomb. And it's bringing the contrary of peace, is creating confronting groups among our society.
Nowadays I am more defendant of reducing number of workhours. If there's not enough work for everyone then maybe instead of working 40 hours a week people should be working just 20 hours a week, but everyone capable of doing work should be working, so everyone could work less hours and enjoy more life. I think it is more fair than UBI. And more likely to create social harmony.
Universal Basic Income. No strings attached. Everybody gets it. There is no income threshold.
Yeah, the inflationary pressure would probably be insane and would constantly negate any progress. I'm not an economist so I don't really know.
I think that's a faulty interpretation of what an UBI should be.
Universal Basic Income should mean everyone Human has at minimum that basic wage. By their own means or with help.
Meaning ultimately that there are no humans living under X amount of money.
One of the key points of UBI is that it is universal, meaning everyone gets it regardless of their own means.
If you take it away from people who work then it's just un/underemployment support and it discourages people from taking low paid jobs and breeds resentment towards recipients.
Where does it come the budget for that type of UBI? Two options:
-Taxes: then workers do not actually get the UBI as the same amount of money that goes in goes out. It's just a convoluted way for getting the exact same result as just giving the money to the poorest to begin with.
-Printing money: knock! Knock! Who is it? hyperinflation!
-Tax, but just the rich!: If you want to tax the rich tax the rich. No need for a UBI excuse to do so.
Yes, some people are going to pay more in taxes than they get in UBI. But with UBI you raise the bottom level of income in society so that everyone is able to live. Then people can supplement UBI by working an amount which fits them. Nobody has to work 60 hours a week just to be able to live. And you should also have tax thresholds set so that people don't pay as much in income tax as they get in UBI as soon as they start working - more/better paid work should always make you better off.
In the end yes the rich will have to pay more towards it because UBI is inherently a form of wealth redistribution.