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When I just see my TV taking Linux updates it makes me feel so cozy. For context sake I have a veroV running osmc.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I have actually seen some people with this kind of opinion regarding systemd, but I still do not get the hate about it.

Can you elaborate what is so terrible about systemd?

EDIT: typos

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah no, please don't start another thread like this. We've had our experiences, that's it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It may have been a thing discussed ad nauseum on certain threads. I just wanted to understand if there are facts that make systemd bad in general

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well, my experience was

  1. why a service misbehaved, can't get smart from that log dump
  2. configuring DNS, got annoyed that it was yet again something Systemd does itself and in a poor mans way, despite there being tools and standards for tens of years.
  3. Then found out about their security track record and that it all runs as PID 1 (more power than even root)

All in all, it works very contrary to my experience that layers upon layers leads to unmanageable complexity and inefficinecy and it's all implemented in a poor way, functionally (some will likely disagree to this).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the response. Right now I do not have enough knowledge to judge for myself if systemd is effectively great or not. Once I have the time I will check closer kernel architecture (theoretical wise), then in how the Linux kernel is effectively organized and only after that understand the theory behind systemd. I've seen several threads where 2 very different camps exists, but I was not entirely sure of the information I was getting.

Cannot say I will get around this, but for sure peeks my curiosity

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The unix philosophy is that a piece of software should do one thing, and do it well. Systemd does a dozen things, all of them poorly. It's an especially poor choice for an embedded or appliance system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Systemd is not a singular thing, it's a collection of a lot of things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I don't see the problem but I was just saying that it doesn't break the unix philosophy as such. Not that unix philosophy is much of a thing anymore.

[–] Jakeroxs 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Linux is not a singular thing, it's a collection of a lot of things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Linux is a kernel. The kernel modules, services, userland, etc. are all modular and can be used independently. Not so with systemd (at least how it's implemented in most distros).

[–] Jakeroxs 1 points 5 days ago

I'm sure there's several modules in the Linux kernel that are necessary to function, and you're also aware that when people broadly refer to Linux, they don't mean the kernel specifically lol