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Neopronouns are not trolling (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

I've been waiting until after Christmas day to make this post, but some of our communities recently have had a lot of noise and upset over someone that uses neopronouns that most people are unfamiliar with.

So I want to make this clear. A persons pronouns are to be respected. This is true when the user is using neopronouns that you're unfamiliar with. It's true even if you think someone is trolling. Pronouns are not rewards for good behaviour. They aren't only to be respected when you like the person you're interacting with, or if their pronouns "make sense" to you. Trolls, spammers, twitter users, it doesn't matter who they are, your options are to respect their pronouns, or to not engage with them.

I really want to re-iterate the importance of this. Gender diverse folk are undermined, invalidated and questioned at every step of our lives. As a community, we need to be working to undo that, not creating more of it, and that means there is no space for treating pronouns (including neopronouns) as a reward for good behaviour.

This isn't a free reign for trolls and spammers. The rules still apply. Trolling, spamming, etc will continue to be dealt with, but it's not an excuse to act as if respecting someones pronouns is optional.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (25 children)

My only concern is that people (or one person in particular) aren't genuine, but are doing to to discredit trans people, and the concept of gender fluidity in general. Kind of an extension of the "one joke" conservatives have ("hurr durr, I identify as an attack helicopter").

Obviously I can't say for sure that's what is happening, but I've read some of their comments that set off some red flags for me that maybe this person isn't being genuine.

I personally err on the side of caution, so I'd never purposely insult this person by calling them "him" or "her," but they'll remain a "they" to me, as that is still gender-agnostic not offensive to someone with "neopronouns" (as far as I understand it).

[–] skulbuny 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What's the worst thing that will happen if an obviously moronic masculine-presenting person says "hurr durr my pronouns are balls/sack" and you do what they ask and use those pronouns? Will they play along? Will they be offended? What's a desirable outcome? What's an undesirable outcome?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I was specifically talking about a user here who refers to themselves as a dragon, speaks in the third person calling themselves a dragon each sentence, insists that everyone they interact with on here also refers to them that way (also some other red flags like about how there is clearly some sort of kink aspect to this for them and their dragon partner), and gets people banned for questioning it.

I wouldn't say I have a problem with the concept of neopronouns as a whole, though that's more because I just haven't thought enough about it to have an informed opinion.

But, to answer your question with respect to the behavior of the user I was referring to:

For transphobic people who are pushing an anti-trans agenda to gullible idiots who are already, at the very least, borderline homophobic, it legitimizes all of those "libruls want to put litter boxes in your kids' schools!" trans panic, bullshit.

It shows that there are people on the left who are willing to take it a few steps too far, and indulge in people's possible mental illness where they believe their gender is a non-existent, fantasy creature. Something that's literally not possible as it is not on the human gender spectrum. At least not as I understand it.

I'm sure people will tell me how I'm wrong.

[–] skulbuny 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, I am sure in a case by case basis you are right and that seems like an exception to the rule though. I think the spirit of the topic is that we should just use pronouns on this instance even more common neopronouns like xir. My personal opinion is I think "they" is probably a fine blanket term for all gender neutrality, but that will likely "other" them into the bucket of "they"... so I can see how this is a tricky situation.

To call this a leftist thing is interesting though. We are discussing humans, not politics. I didn't bring it up. My acceptance of all people other than me drives me to leftism, not the other way around.

Honestly, a general rule of thumb"act in good faith" is probably enough. Not hard to enforce and usually a small enough offense is enough to deter most.

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