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How do you figure?
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The insurance companies won't cover any care. The Government certainly isn't offering to pick up the bill, we just elected a Republican Majority. So the patients are responsible for the full cost of treatment.
Tbh as a nurse even just directly accepting pay from patients would be a huge improvement in the Healthcare system. Even having the patient directly pay the hospital then the hospital pays me would be a big improvement over health insurance companies. The entire purpose of a middleman is to make things more convenient and yet they've figured out how to make more money the less convenient it is to receive care because they get their premium either way, and the more they refuse to do the more they get to keep. They're literally leeches that contribute nothing beneficial to the process.
A big reason we have stuff like $100 bandaids is because of a longstandimg health insurance tradition of the Healthcare insurance companies insisting that the hospitals charge exorbitant prices to the uninsured so that they can offer their customers "discounts." It's the same marketing strategy as how mattress stores are always having a sale. The mattress was always worth $400, they just added the ~~$800~~ next to it to make that $400 look better. After years and years of the insurance companies "negotiating" for more money off the price we have hospitals charging $100 to put a baby on its mothers chest after birth, then that price is magically "negotiated" down to $1 which the insurance company so graciously deigns to pay.
Some people still wouldn't be able to pay which is why we really need to move towards a government provided fund that covers at least the basics for everyone, but for most people not having to pay $500 for a bandaid and only having to pay $1-2k for a major surgery would be doable, especially if they're not also paying $300 monthly and $3.6k yearly for "insurance" that will still try to get the anasthaesia cut off mid surgery. And it would make mutual aid and charitable funding a much more realistic possibility for those who can't afford it.
So anyway yeah we actually should just completely abolish the health insurance industry. It wouldn't fix everything but it would actually be a huge improvement just by cutting out the middleman and by making a negotiation that was already unfair to begin with at least more open / honest.
Okay but it's only an improvement for people can afford it. Other people die. That's the entire argument behind calling Brian Thompson a murderer, by advocating for not distributing based on need you're essentially what other commenters in this thread would call a murderer.
You can have mutual aid and charitable funding RIGHT NOW. Nothing is stopping us, it's heavily advocated for.
Aaaaand you ignored the part of my argument where it's still a marginal improvement for that population (who already can't afford it even with insurance). The other commenter is right, you're cherrypicking and arguing in bad faith. I've no patience for sealions. Bye.
Aaaaaand I don't think it would be an improvement at all because I don't think people would be sharing their wealth without incentive to have their own issues covered. As I mentioned before, you can right at this very moment do charity or community action to cover the care of people who need it, such as donating to St. Jude's Childrens Hospital. People aren't, though. They don't want to cover somebody else's problem.
I've been fighting sealions like you all day, must be a skill issue.
Up/downvotes don’t mesh with your “skill issue” observation.
You ignored their whole point that abolishing the health insurance industry would bring costs down for everyone, but act like they’re the one with a skill issue? Get bent with your bad faith, cherry-picked arguments. lol
I think when somebody mentions destroying our health insurance system, they don’t mean literally dissolving all insurance companies right now and then taking a nap before starting to think about how to replace it.
Whenever I suggest using political reform to solve the problem I get argued with and downvoted. I think maybe you're just too new here to understand how bad the problem is with anarchists and tankies advocating we tear it down without a replacement.
I mean it's not like there's an entire knowledge base of communist theory that has successfully been put into practice and even in some cases withstood the most brutal attacks and undermining by American capitalists, but let's just call them all tankies and pretend that they are so incapable of critical thinking that they wouldn't have a plan against the most obvious points of failure that you can think of in the most knee jerkiest of reactions, having exposed yourself to absolutely none of that theory whatsoever.
The capitalists will not let you reform away their power. You bootlicking libs are so pathetic.
The fact that you think going mask off is a good look on you, lol.
There's nothing mask off about it. All the theory is public domain, it's right there for you to read. The fact that a thorough materialist analysis of capitalism is so scary to you is what's mask off.
Have you considered you didn't read enough theory? You need to go read more theory, lol.
I am lol and I'm finding it deeply enlightening. You should try it some time.
More bad faith and lies. What a surprise lol. You want to suck CEO dick so badly you couldn't even consider that a non greed based system is what people want. It's not like there are many examples of healthcare systems that could simply be copy and pasted to work here. Won't anyone think of the profits?!
You're a joke dude. No one is buying it and your imagined CEO daddy is not going to see your comments and throw you bread crumbs when it's your turn to choose death or bankruptcy. But I guess you'll feel good in the moment because you tried really hard to get people who can barely pay their insurance premiums to feel like it's their responsibility to also pay for other people's healthcare instead of trying to stop the current, broken system.
A literal quote from your actual comment is bad faith and lies? Well, you said it pal, not me.
You don't want to copy and paste a system, explicitly. You don't need to do anything to CEOs if you simply obsolete their entire industry by getting people to vote correctly. Or are you saying you want to end US Democracy? It sounds like you don't even know what you want and you think your confusion justifies violence.
Oh the troll thinks I'm confused. Lol, I think that's a compliment actually
I interpret this as you conceding the argument.
Feel free to think that troglodyte. I guess you really don't think voting means anything then. Lying trolls gonna lie.