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[–] mindbleach -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh sorry, do CEOs not exist on your planet? Are they not in executive control of a hierarchy, with only theoretical means to remove them? Do they not set long-term plans and broad strategic goals, within the context of a global market economy? Y'know - the thing you acknowledge Xi Jinping does, as you try to say he shares no qualities whatsoever with people who do the same thing in the private sector?

Because that's what it would take for your response to be anything besides empty signalling to people who dogmatically agree with you just because of who you're defending. Fairies aren't real. CEOs are. National executives share enough in common, at the best of times, that idiots and assholes think states should "be run like a business."

What happens when a state does control half of a country's business, and "heavily plans" the other half?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Xi can be recalled, he just hasn't because he's wildly popular. The other aspects, such as having some level of control, becomes "Xi is a leader." Not a leaders are CEOs.

[–] mindbleach -4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hey look, an argument! Why'd you jerk me around seven times before trying that?

He's a leader in charge of goddamn near an entire economy. Half of it - by your own reckoning - directly under the state he controls. The other half - as you say - "heavily planned." How is he not as responsible for those industries as any CEO is responsible for their company? Is it just because he's even higher up the chain?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"CEO" implies he does so so he can personally profit, moreover it implies he is uncontestable. Neither is true, which is why your comparison is akin to calling him a fairy.

[–] mindbleach -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

CEOs get removed all the time. Fairies still don't exist.

Do you wanna talk about Xi's motives for consolidating power, and how money pales in comparison to deciding which rich assholes get disappeared or executed?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do you believe the people of China want Xi removed?

[–] mindbleach -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're having a completely different conversation in your head.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You are justifying a nonsense comparison for nonsense reasons.

[–] mindbleach -5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Says the guy talking about fairies.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Says the one pretending leaders are CEOs.

[–] mindbleach -5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Some are real fuckin' close. It doesn't have to be all of them, every time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Statements should make sense and have a purpose.

[–] mindbleach -5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Again, says guy talking about fairies.

You grasped for a comparison to Biden. Biden can't fire whoever's in charge of a business. Xi can. Xi can have those people executed. That is the power this entire post is celebrating.

Drawing comparisons to the business executives themselves has a basis and a function, no matter how hard you try to pivot into nuh-uhs and non sequiturs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You haven't proven those claims, though. You keep stating them as though they are fact. This is deeply unserious behavior.

[–] mindbleach -5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

They're your claims.

When I say the state has half the economy - that's your estimate.

When I say they plan the other half too - those are your words.

When I point out these businesses are so clearly beneath the state, that the business's leaders can be executed - that's the only thing this post is about! It is a direct comparison of some guy doming a healthcare exec, and the Chinese government's rather fucking tight control over that entire economy.

I don't think you understand how conversations work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, you make unsubstantiated claims of Xi being able to execute whoever he wants, willy nilly, and I ask you to substantiate them. I am not saying my claims are wrong, but yours.

[–] mindbleach -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's what this post is about.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

No, it isn't. The PRC executes billionaires guilty of mass crimes such as corruption, not "whoever they want."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

How is he not as responsible for those industries as any CEO is responsible for their company?

Xi is neither a dictator nor a CEO, he is the head of the CPC and the president of China, a largely ceremonial position.

CEOs run private capitalist enterprises. The Chinese state runs public enterprises, so they aren’t run on the logic of capitalism. These public enterprises don’t even need to make a profit, because the Chinese state has fiat monetary sovereignty. In other words, it has infinite money[1].