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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If the business owner is paying a sub minimum wage and banking on tips to make up for it, then it is the employer screwing a working class person, not a customer that doesn't tip. Most places don't have a big sign on the door stating "our staff relys on your tips you intend to come here." Most customers are clueless to what an employer is paying their employees, expecting a customer to know what places are sub minimum wage and which are not is a bit ridiculous.

[–] agamemnonymous -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is the norm in America. I would assume this is common knowledge, but even still my comments are directed towards those that admit they know the staff relies on tips, but don't tip anyway because it's "not their job".

Again, if you go to these businesses knowing the majority of the waitstaff's compensation is in the form of tips, and you patronize the business without tipping anyway, you are on the side of the employer. The employer sees zero loss in revenue from your lack of tip. You have formed an alliance with the business owner to exploit the worker.

If you would like to not screw the employee while also not tipping, the answer is simple: do not patronize that business. Contact the owner and let them know you don't plan to return until they pay their staff a living wage. Otherwise, you're just selfishly joining in the exploitation, full stop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The server minimum wage in my province is $16.55/hr, the base minimum wage is $17.20/hr, a difference of $0.65/hr.

If the server get a $1 tip per hour, they are beating minmum wage. I'm not sure if the numbers are worse in the US but this really doesn't seem that bad. I think servers should be paid the normal minimum wage, but i doubt there are many servers that stay employed at the restaurant making less than $1/hr in tips.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Which province is that? The only province I can find with a tipped minimum wage is Quebec and both of their minimum wages are lower than anything you said.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I searched for server minimum wage in Ontario.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I guess you can find anything if you search for what you want to hear.

Here's the Ontario ESA Nothing about server or tipped wages.

Heres the page I assume you found (it was right near the top results of "server minimum wage in Ontario") $16.55 is the old minimum wage for everyone until it went to $17.20 this October.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

I must have used an old source it did change very recently. I only knew servers made a different wage because my sister worked as a server. I should have also mentioned that when the server wage was in effect, servers were guaranteed to be brought up to standard minimum wage if they failed to make enough tips.

[–] agamemnonymous 0 points 5 days ago

The tipped minimum wage in the US is far less than 96% of non-tipped. Federally it's more like 70% of standard minimum wage, in my state it's about 75%.