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[EDIT] Inb4 more people try to suggest that I'm mourning the loss of this scumbag capitalist fuck: No, I'm not sad he's dead. No, I don't think corporate murder is acceptable and no, I would not ever rat to police if I knew the shooter and yes, I believe the punishment fits the crimes he's committed against untold thousands of people. THAT SAID...

I'm not down with vigilante murder or anything because it seems like the slipperiest of slopes toward chaos, but what other option is there in a situation where someone seeks to make an impact in this way? You can't just beat up evil CEOs and let them go back to work. It would be naïve to expect them to change their ways when faced with consequences for their actions and then promptly let go. It just seems like the chances that it emboldens their penchant for exploitative behaviour and disdain for people in need are too high.

We're just born into and strapped to this capitalist ride and expected to sit quiet and make these leeches their billions. How else can this cancerous greed possibly be dealt with? Is vigilante murder the only effective option? Honest questions. I'm terribly conflicted and I'm genuinely curious what more reasonable and intelligent minds than mine think about this because I can't think of an alternative to murder in this case.

Ideally, we wouldn't have to resort to vigilante killings to level the playing field but I 100% understand that we don't live in a society where the rich will ever give a fuck about the rest of us or would ever sacrifice their power over us in the name of goodwill.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The closest thing to a real answer that i can come up with is to remove money from politics. That itself seems near impossible a goal, but in order to start making better decisions you have to improve the decision making process that got us to this point.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Taking money from politics is like taking food from cooking. Not compatible.

The whole point of politics is power, influence, assignment of scarce resources. I don’t mean this in a bad way, it’s literally what politics is about: you want your government to make laws that influence your community, to collect taxes and use them in a certain way, to regulate certain things the way you’d like. Without those things politics are meaningless.

Money is just power that you can measure and trade, it will always be part of the equation. Removing money from politics is nonsensical.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Justice Thomas? Is that you on Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The whole point of politics is compromise. Finding solutions that the most people can accept.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Compromise is the… point, of politics? Are you sure? At best it’s a mean to an end, and only in democracy. We’re not taking moral judgement here, just what is what.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

John: "I think we should install storm drains so Main street doesn't flood when it rains."

Jim: "But that will block access to my store for weeks!"

Bob: "And I think it's a waste of time and money!"

Politics is the process of finding a solution that most of the affected people can agree on. As I see it. The rest is just scale.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's few countries where the effectiveness of electoral campaigns are measured in the amount of money raised.

It is possible to regulate the amount of money in politics, there's plenty of examples.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Party funding and salaries are not “the money” that is in politics, those are peanuts. Do you think Elon musk is interested in a government job because he wants the paycheck?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I wasn't taking about that at all.

I'm most countries there time of money in politics is way healthier than in the us.

So it's possible to regulate that better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes but you are talking about party funding. Politicians are not into it for the funding, that’s peanuts.

The relationship between politics and money is already regulated, that’s what embezzlement laws are about. They can be improved, but you’ll find it’s harder than you would think.

Surely decoupling money from politics is not possible, which is what I was answering about.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No I was talking about electoral funding, through super PACs and the like. How individuals and companies can buy their way into politicians favor.

I was talking about that the dollar amount raised during elections is a measure of success. That's not the case in almost all developed countries. And it's wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Aha, gotchu now