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It’s a person who aims to do the least harm to and exploitation of animals practicable. Vegans don’t all agree with each other, but generally they don’t eat any animal products (food waste and somehow honey are common disagreements among vegans), nor would they buy new leather products (some might buy secondhand, but others won’t even hold on to a pair of shoes they bought and wore for years before going vegan).
It’s insane to me, how many people think that “bugs” aren’t animals. Sponges or barnacles, I can understand, but everyone knows that mosquitoes feed off of blood and spiders lay eggs, so how is it even a question?
Lots of people get their wires crossed with animal versus mammal, even if they're otherwise smart and educated. I've lost an unreasonable number of arguments against people who thought birds weren't animals and couldn't be convinced otherwise.
Birds? Dang, that one I haven’t heard yet
Honey because local beekeepers are, in my experience, commited conservationists obsessed with protecting honeybees. Volunteering time to rescue hives, etc. I imagine an argument can be made against industrial production, however.
The correct term is bee enslavers. Honey is for the bees not for the humans to steal and murder their queen.
You definitely don't want to kill the queen, very counterproductive.
who are you, who are so wise in the ways of chaos and divisiveness
Just to present the other side of hoeny veganism, I don't consume any out of ethical consistency. Without question beekeepers do far less damage to their animals than cows, pig or chicken ranchers since those end in slaughter. But it's still a product produced by an animal for a specific purpose in its life cycle. While slaughtering a pig for pork is murder, taking a hives honey is theft. Beekeepers replace it with a sugar water mix instead but as I understand the research that slurry misses many of the core nutrients bees put in to their honey.
If someone took food off my plate to replace with a less nutritional and tasty substitute I'd be pissed, so I see no reason to do it to bees. Besides, agavae is cheap, healthier and tastes near identical. Since a readily available susbistute exists, I don't even miss or care about honey.
I would never say someone who eats honey isn't vegan, but it is a matter of polite disagreement among the community.