Wayland and audio is fixed, but only on the canary branch for the moment, this isnt lazy either, they changed the whole screenshare flow to suit linux's permission prompts
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Fuck Discord! 🙂
Sadly there's no alternative.
Zulip has been around for a loooong time. It integrates well with Jitsi, and is fully self-hostable.
Revolt looks pretty good despite its lack of a large user base
No screen share and there seems to be a reluctance to add/address requests for it. They add that and I can get my whole community to switch. Until then it's not happening.
matrix, xmpp
I so wish there was matrix protocol for voice rooms and a good reference implementation but sadly there are neither
You can do it for xmpp and Jitsi right?
How long has it been since you used element/matrix? Serious question because the new element call stack is now finally released in element stable, as of a few patches ago. (It still only shows up as the "video rooms" feature that u have to enable in the labs/beta settings)
Its much cleaner than before and properly supports screensharing, adjusting individual user volumes and more. The previous jitsi based voice rooms were somewhat lacking i admit but they have been functional for years.
That was the last thing that kind of kept me from fully endorsing matrix but now it does all that really important stuff. The new mobile ElementX client also supports the new call system but its overall lacking compared to the normal mobile client which does not support it.
But for desktop use i dont have any complains anymore about matrix really.
not that I dig into it very far but I check maybe once a year to find out if any of the features I want made it into matrix protocol yet and they always seem stalled
no alternative that's as user-friendly and feature-complete
I wouldn’t say discord is either of those things
They need to limit server sizes, get rid of community searching, and add #XXXX to the end of usernames before we can pretend that
Wouldn't limiting server sizes and getting rid of community searching be removing features? Why would anyone want that?
And Discord used to have #XXXX at the end of usernames.
1 they aren’t pedos
2 they want an app to talk to their friends with
3 they don’t want to be victims of misinformation campaigns
Yeah it was better, it meant if you were being stalked you could just have the numbers changed. Now you need a completely different alias with the only purpose to be discouraging victims from getting help
1- What does that have to do with anything?
2- Then make a private server for just your friends.
3- Then make a private server for just your friends.
And no, it wasn't better. Just... different.
2/3 opposite of above: the people who would join public servers are too young to know not to
It's rather odd you think discord is full of children... And that there aren't verification processes in place.
You're creating a problem with Discord that doesn't exist, or at least, not in any way that's unique to discord.
Why?
Centralized social media. Poison of the masses. If they control the pullpit, they control the congregation. Tale as old as time.
It’s reach not centralization
You’d think Lemmy would’ve taught you that by now
The founder's shady history with OpenFeint, their entire privacy policy and shit like this, take your pick. Wikipedia also has an entire section dedicated to Discord's controversies. No matter how you look at it, Discord has a great many shortcomings.
i agree with your points but wanted to mention that binding arbitration is bullshittery that most large companies do by default these days. sign a cell phone contract, streaming/cable service, utility bill, whatever. there's probably an arbitration clause right in the fine print.
https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord
https://stallman.org/discord.html
These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.
I'm not here to "defend" Discord and pretend it's all gravy, but if you want to make a compelling argument, I think it's a good idea to stick to current, factual information.
Did you even read them? They changed for worst all the points remain.
Which got worse? Feel free to show me an example. I'll try to investigate and find out its merits.
It must be said that that site also considers browsers like Firefox and Vivaldi to be at a high level of being spyware. I think it's important to understand that Discord doesn't do things much differently than other platforms, other than not having any 3rd party ads.
You sound exactly like a bad actor. If you open and read the website you would know why Firefox it's listed
https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord
(emphasis mine). Ah yes, another blog by a user that thinks everything revolves around their experience.
I would love to act in good faith, but you're not making it easy linking this drivel. Because I don't want to make you feel like I'm fishing for sources, let me expand some points in the original link to talk about:
Ah yes, very scary. Connecting your account with other platforms to show your profile.
The "advertising" in question:
Usually this is a server (community) - side setting, but Discord also forces it when they think you are a spammer or malicious actor. Pretending it's to collect phone number is a bit out there. Also, 2FA has been a thing since forever.
Lastly, there's probably the argument of selling our personal data:
This is a legal document that they will get in trouble for if they were lying. They've already been fined hundreds of thousands of euros for GDPR violations but that curiously did not include a fine for "took people's personal information and then sold them without consent whilst explicitly saying they didn't do that"
Discord further has no third party advertisements which they can use to "sell" your data by allowing those advertisements to target you.
You are here on lemmy on a linux sub trying to defend a proprietary company who makes billions stealing kids data. Take a break and think about what you are doing with your life.
https://drewdevault.com/2021/12/28/Dont-use-Discord-for-FOSS.html
There are plenty of legit things to get upset about. Malicious bots, prolific scams, CSAM, customer support having an abysmal rep, and that's not even talking about how foundationally incompatible Discord is with FOSS.
So no, I'm not here to defend a proprietary company. I'm here to address the pointless fear mongering that distracts from the real issues.
Did you actually read anything or are you just set to rage mode?
And then your blogger proceeds to use it as a cited source, my goodness.
Yes, did you? They are trying to claim something as stupid as that discord doesn't sell your data.
Burden of proof is on you, to show an instance of Discord going against its ToS and selling data.
Only thing I could find: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/04/billions-of-public-discord-messages-may-be-sold-through-a-scraping-service/#comments where are 3rd party bot might scrape data to then sell... which is an issue even for lemmy?
ask Jason Citron
So you've got nothing but hysterics 😂