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[–] Kalcifer 79 points 6 days ago (4 children)

[…] psychedelics […]

I'm glad that it seems like the war on drugs is showing cracks. I completely support a move to legalize psychedelics.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's why it's included and it's the first item. To make the rest seem reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago

The carrot got dangled in front of the US population for decades and now it's going to be handed out by the guy holding a knife in his other hand.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yes, but it shouldn't be legalized for the wrong reasons. We used to justify legalization using arguments about personal freedom for recreational use and pushing for more rigorous research into the therapeutic use cases. Now its popularity in the population is just used to push a pseudo-scientific and anti-science agenda.

[–] Kalcifer 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Yes, but it shouldn’t be legalized for the wrong reasons.

This is kind of an interesting thought, imo. If one agrees with the resultant policy, does the rationale used to get there matter? Perhaps it does in principle, but I wonder if it matters in practice. The end result is the same.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think the implications here is that the reasons it gets legalized can have an impact on the specifics of the policy. Which would mean that they wouldn't agree with the policy beyond the legalization itself.

[–] Kalcifer 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think the implications here is that the reasons it gets legalized can have an impact on the specifics of the policy.

Could you elaborate on what you mean?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If the brain worms tell RFK Jr. That psychedelics are actually a cancer cure, then legislation could be put forth to legalize psychedelics. But rather than allowing recreational use, or using them for a medical purpose based on scientific fact such as use in conjunction with therapy to treat depression, it could be legalized as prescribed medication for cancer. This has the drawbacks of not allowing access to people that could actually benefit from it, as well as now being used as a snake oil cure for something completely unrelated that will prevent people from getting other more effective treatment.

[–] Kalcifer 1 points 2 days ago

I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I was outlining an example where the outcome is favorable by all parties, but the principles used to arrive at the outcome differ. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be describing an outcome that wouldn't be favorable for all parties.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It does not matter morally, but does rhetorically and politically. The result of neglecting the latter is your rhetoric can be abused, see OP

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

If the end result is that psychedelics get used as an excuse to take power away from the FDA, then everybody's safety gets compromised in all areas of healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I mean there's already quite some research with psychedelics showing positive results. Expecting RFK to act on facts and science is wishful thinking. We can just be thankful that his twisted mind aligns with science at least in this position.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

A broken clock is right twice a day. A random number generator will also occasionally give you the right answer.

[–] starman2112 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Plus, a bunch of conservatives will see the raw milk part and die from listeria. It's a win-win!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

but on the plus side, maybe the us can start getting some decent cheeses...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

I live in Wisconsin. We have fine cheeses, I dont need it to have actual maggots in it.